It depends if the gunners get a licks shot

And that's the fucking B-17

A good hit by a .50 to the pilot or engine could force the attacking fighter to break off or kill it outright

The B-17 was an outdated heavy bomber (designed in 1936), going slow enough for a fucking Bi-plane to catch it

By the time of 1943 that is

Up until 43 it was fine

but it was pushing it's luck that far

@Magos Squid "The Life Raft" During and post-war, testing showed that a single Mk108 30mm firing HEM needed only 5 rounds to cause catastrophic airframe failure on your average bomber.

Well yeah, that's the best thing they had

I'm talking about the average 20mm cannon

20mm HEM needed significantly more shells, something like 40-60, mainly because while it had a fuckload of HE per shell, it was still a tiny 20mm shell.

MG 151/20 and in comparison Hispano Mk.Vs, AN/M2s, and then whatever the fuck the Nips used

Meanwhile 30mm HEM model A had like... 85g of HE, more than most bomber-hunter 37mm guns had in their HE shells

Yeah, that's what I'm aware of, Rofl

If you scroll up, you'll see my point

@Magos Squid "The Life Raft" Type 99's mostly

Hispano V and AN/M2 were both far better with SAPI than HE

Type 99 was hot garbage

why tho

Just a ghetto-tier cannon

Like most guns the Nips had at the time

Does it shoot? Yes? Ok.

Last I checked it had shit veloicity, shit shells, shit construction, shit time between failure, just shit everything

The IJN literally loaded practice shells because they were more effective than their combat shells

F

"Hey guys, our guns jam constantly"
> "Just make it so you can un jam the ones in the nose from within the cockpit"
"Doesn't that say something about how shit it is?"
> "Nah man it'll be revolutionary"

Good ol' squint-eyes

A Japanese A6M with a US radial and German guns would have raped the skies.

Imagine an R2800 and some steel bar controls

Meanwhile german cannons kill fighters, kill bombers, kill tanks, make you coffee and clean your cockpit of jizz

And then a pair of MG151/20s in the nose

Honestly the MG151/20 was kinda ghetto too

🤷 It worked

It was a failed 15mm HMG they rechambered in to 20mm

The real star of German cannons was the HEM shells

Isn't the Mitsubishi engine a rip off of a old licensed PW R-1830?

I say "old" but it wasnt old then

Zumer would know more about that

>tfw 13mm literally spamming HE but in WT they're just pretty sparkles

also autistic phone

Fuck, imagine a Hispano V with German HEM shells