Message from @Wyolet475

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2019-03-06 19:37:52 UTC  

Newer triple charges are rated up to nearly 3000mm, including composites.

2019-03-06 19:37:59 UTC  

hwat?

2019-03-06 19:38:09 UTC  

where did you get *that* number

2019-03-06 19:38:28 UTC  

the best HEAT warheads are rated at *maybe* 1500mm

2019-03-06 19:38:33 UTC  

Last I looked there was a triple-HEAT with nearly 3000mm of penetration RHA.

2019-03-06 19:38:58 UTC  

and a 125mm diameter tank-launched one won't even break 1000mm

2019-03-06 19:39:12 UTC  

You can think that all you want until they do.

2019-03-06 19:40:53 UTC  

Chobham-type composites are 3,5 times as effective against HEAT warheads as against kinetic penetrators

2019-03-06 19:41:50 UTC  

since Russian KE penetrators go up to ~900mm of pen, their ATGMs would need to break 3k mm to be *as effective*

2019-03-06 19:42:38 UTC  

and with current tech, to achieve penetration like that you'd need a warhead so massive, you might as well use a 250kg bomb

2019-03-06 19:43:06 UTC  

Well the Russians certainly think they're good enough, and so does NATO.

2019-03-06 19:43:27 UTC  

That's what they want you to thin

2019-03-06 19:43:30 UTC  

k

2019-03-06 19:43:44 UTC  

I'm going to go with triple-HEAT is rendering conventional armor irrelevant

2019-03-06 19:44:05 UTC  

Which is why we're seeing a huge shift towards active protection and nanocomposite alloys.

2019-03-06 19:44:51 UTC  

Even wiki calls bullshit on that one

2019-03-06 19:44:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491045043633782784/552939683886137354/unknown.png

2019-03-06 19:45:16 UTC  

800mm ain't shit against composite tank armor

2019-03-06 19:45:32 UTC  

NATO tanks had that much heat resistance since the late 80s

2019-03-06 19:45:56 UTC  

Oh yes, you just conveniently ignore that it *defeats the spaced and reactive sections*

2019-03-06 19:45:56 UTC  

It's for light infantry

2019-03-06 19:46:26 UTC  

Triple-warhead is good against modern ERA that are designed to counter tandem warheads

2019-03-06 19:46:32 UTC  

🍿

2019-03-06 19:46:39 UTC  

but those are not mounted on tanks

2019-03-06 19:46:40 UTC  

Once you defeat reactive and spaced sections, the RHA equivalent of composite armor is basically nothing

2019-03-06 19:47:15 UTC  

NERA and NxRA is not multi-hit capable

2019-03-06 19:47:55 UTC  

unlike ERA, NERA doesn't lose effectiveness against HEAT that easily

2019-03-06 19:48:38 UTC  

Once ERA blows it's done, so all you have to do is get a precursor charge to detonate it before your main warhead pens the armor proper

2019-03-06 19:48:51 UTC  

And yet NERA is not multi-hit capable

2019-03-06 19:49:07 UTC  

Which is why we're seeing a shift in armor to ceramics like boroncarbide

2019-03-06 19:49:10 UTC  

🍿

2019-03-06 19:49:28 UTC  

but NERA arrays continue expanding for the few milliseconds it takes for the main charge to detonate

2019-03-06 19:49:49 UTC  

you can't delay the detonation or your warhead will squish against the steel

2019-03-06 19:50:05 UTC  

That's exactly how T-HEAT works

2019-03-06 19:50:11 UTC  

which is why tandem never had significant effect against anything but ERA

2019-03-06 19:50:13 UTC  

It literally stages the charges

2019-03-06 19:50:33 UTC  

yes, and it may be enough against fast-acting ERA

2019-03-06 19:50:40 UTC  

not against slower-acting NERA

2019-03-06 19:50:52 UTC  

Well apparently it is.

2019-03-06 19:51:05 UTC  

Again, NERA is being phased out in favor of cermaic liners.

2019-03-06 19:51:15 UTC  

Where?