yeah but the GW traitor knight rules arnt as in depth as the FW ones where they?

but then again that was just to push $200 models

sort of yes, sort of no

also its basically rules to use an existing model in a different army

FW gave the option of Daemon Knights which are full-blown possessed, as well as traitor versions of their chassis

I guess renegades and heretics could be used by GW to get Chaos players to buy guard models and upgrade sprues, but there are some units they'd have to make new

actually the Guard models/upgrade sprue idea isnt too bad, they already did that with genestealer cults

thing is the reason you want them is kinda obvious

they're "fun" on their own but we just want soup like the corpsefuckers

didnt the recent FAQ ban soup list from battleforged in Tourney games?

no

they did offer genestealer upgrade kits for the cadian kit

so

renagade ones aren't that far fetched

what did it do then because when I read that rule thats what I got out of it

it just made it so you HAD to keep a single keyword for each detatchment

so if you want SM/IG soup, you need a full detatchment of each

which everyone was doing ANYWAY to keep the regiment/chapter/etc special rules

I thought it said though that Imperium, chaos, and aeldari didnt count for the rule

that was for within each Detachment

OH

ok

so only within each detachment, ok I get it now

although I still feel like this gimps an already crippled Ynnari

then again they were pretty OP from power creep last edition so I guess I cant complain too much

eh honestly it just makes it harder to spam the core Detatchments for a tidal wave of CP

still waiting on the codex...

and none of the Eldar armies have anything that could be truly considered a "tax" unit

I mean the point of Ynnari in my eyes was that units from different eldar factions can patch holes in each others armies while loosing faction rules for Strength from death

thats true as well though, its hard to find an Eldar unit that can be considered "Bad"

so the only real disadvantage is you'll have less CP to play with because you'll likely take a Drukhari contingent in a Fast Attack detatchment for example

thats true, and I've never really taken advantage of CP that much anyway

I'm actually considering taking R&H in a Fast Attack detatchment with Salamanders and Armoured Sentinels for some cheap fire support for my Iron Warriors

how are you getting away with Imperial and chaos in the same list?

Renegades and Heretics

how tho

its not technically imperial and chaos

renagades and heretics can take

guard units

that then get the renagades and heretics tags

right but when they get R&H tags they loose imperial ones right?