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beans
2019-01-20 23:18:52 UTC  

and trying to destroy the ussr

Alex ✠
2019-01-20 23:19:06 UTC  

he said that communism needs capitalism in its first stages

Alex ✠
2019-01-20 23:19:07 UTC  

basically

Alex ✠
2019-01-20 23:19:12 UTC  

and stalin disagreed

beans
2019-01-20 23:19:20 UTC  

what

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:19:27 UTC  

@Alex ✠ Communism will always need capitalism to be implemented

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:19:33 UTC  

and it fails until they get out of money

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:19:37 UTC  

why?

beans
2019-01-20 23:20:49 UTC  

strange

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/428023686445006848/536686571928289281/sovyt.jpg

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:21:18 UTC  

because their economical system always fail, because there is not private property, there's not foreing investors, the state always spend most of it's wealth in different areas such as infraestructures, education, armed forces (wich is not bad) but... the problem is that when there's no foreing investors and there's no private property the state would not have more earnings and they could not compense all the money they spent

Flash
2019-01-20 23:21:36 UTC  

“Communism is capitalism “

Karl Marx is spinning in his grave

beans
2019-01-20 23:21:43 UTC  

thats literally what grimm is saying

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:22:01 UTC  

@beans i explained what Yugoslavia used during Titoism

Flash
2019-01-20 23:22:10 UTC  

@beans they came out of the Russian empire, anything is better then that

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:22:11 UTC  

and you are saying that Communism is Capitalism

beans
2019-01-20 23:22:22 UTC  

titoism was entirely capitalism

beans
2019-01-20 23:22:26 UTC  

the only difference being

beans
2019-01-20 23:22:35 UTC  

they had co-operatives rather than private ownership

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:22:48 UTC  

@beans but their political system was still left-wing

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:22:51 UTC  

like China

beans
2019-01-20 23:22:54 UTC  

left wing =/= communist

Tatsumaki
2019-01-20 23:22:55 UTC  

🆙 | **beans leveled up!**

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Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:23:06 UTC  

Communism is Extreme Left Wing

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:23:10 UTC  

what are you talking about?

beans
2019-01-20 23:23:15 UTC  

yes

beans
2019-01-20 23:23:24 UTC  

left wing =/= communist

beans
2019-01-20 23:23:33 UTC  

communists are one part of the far left

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:23:35 UTC  

then why the =/=?

beans
2019-01-20 23:23:41 UTC  

communism cannot be compared to social democracy

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:24:15 UTC  

Social Democracy also can fail

Flash
2019-01-20 23:24:28 UTC  

I haven’t seen it fail yet

Flash
2019-01-20 23:24:40 UTC  

Sweden is doing good economically

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:24:40 UTC  

In my country it did, during 1959-1999

beans
2019-01-20 23:24:55 UTC  

social democracy follows the laws of capitalism

beans
2019-01-20 23:24:57 UTC  

market crashes still exist

beans
2019-01-20 23:25:02 UTC  

the rate of profitability still declines

beans
2019-01-20 23:25:09 UTC  

however social democracy is the best form of capitalism

Grimm0175
2019-01-20 23:25:26 UTC  

explain why is the best form of capitalism @beans

beans
2019-01-20 23:26:13 UTC  

social democracy can have many things, but the main aspect of it is having a social safety net for people so they don't get completely fucked over when something bad happens

Mee6
2019-01-20 23:26:14 UTC  

Congratulations, @beans for reaching level 13!

beans
2019-01-20 23:26:35 UTC  

social democracy changed labor laws so now we don't have 6 year olds in coal mines