no

its not automation that will drain the resources

UBI is communism and how you get social degradation similar to the mouse utopia.
If the west is to save itself, the only answer is to take women's rights away and kill the welfare state

They figured some things out on the mouse motivation front.

Also, when you mentioned UBI, I translated it to UTI and was confused as to how a urinary tract infection had anything to do with communism.

phosphorus is rather low, as much as coal is abundant it's getting harder to get, most of the oil has been drilled out

and agriculture reliaes on both Phosphorus and oil

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) you're dead wrong on the automation front. Just like the people in the 19th century who feared machines in factories would take their jobs, when in fact the industrial revolution increased prosperity and created better jobs of higher number than the jobs it rendered useless

Well, just like Europe feared starvation due to shortage of natural fertilizers, and then we invented artificial fertilizers

I dont know what will replace phosphorus since I'm not a chemist

what's left when the tertiary sector is out? machines will break down, yes, but at the same time they dont repopulate the lost jobs

However I do know we have lots of untapped oil deposits that only modern fracking technologies can get at.
Also, hopefully we could move electricity production to rely on nuclear energy

fracking and shale is more or less a negative engery return

or positive but very low

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) I dont know what new jobs will come about. What I do know is that every invention made human labor less necessary and killed old jobs. In the process it created more overall prosperity and more, better jobs

Yes, but the growing pains were brutal.

Riots, violence, suicide. Mostly of men.

and the new jobs will demand more amd more brain power

good luck finding the job to Joe sixpack

Well, my understanding is skilled labor isn't really automated. Things like plumbers still have work to do.

great

as long as houses are not all the same, bots wont do plmbing

Fracking isnt a negative energy return, otherwise it would be financially unsustainable.
Truth is, there is still so much oil that doesn't require fracking that the price of oil is low enough to make fracking not financially viable.
But every time oil prices rose suddenly fracking becomes viable

there's a difference between profitable and getting more energy out of the enrgy put in, and making the barrle a trillion dollar wont change the enrgy return unelss technology chages too

And regarding the jobs, you guys might be right. That's why the current welfare state is so destructive. It creates more incentives to stupid low IQ people to reproduce at the cost of taxing high IQ people making them reproduce less.
That's negative eugenics

there used to be a palce for menial task dumbassed way back then to earn a living and stay out of trouble, not so much any more

There's a strategic reason to get away from oil. It's primarily to escape opec and other Islamic countries, which we all know are directly antithetical to western society.

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) you're right. But if you dont get more energy out of fracking than you put in, it can NEVER be financially viable.
Since fracking is financially viable when oil prices are at around 70$ a barrel that means you always get more energy out than in.
Thing is, current oil prices are pretty low due to oil wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia thus rendering fracking uneconomical

@Xychotic as I've said, you can reduce oil consumption by producing electricity through nuclear energy

You won't get an argument from me there. Between breeder reactors, new fission tech, and thorium, the only reason we aren't appears to be a combination of nimby and bad pr.

@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) there used to be menial tasks to haul rocks out of fields we needed to cultivate.
Thankfully someone invented the wheel and rendered those jobs useless

I do rememeber listening a series of podcasts from Chris Martenson awith interviewees (isiders) arguing that shale companies are not profitable and they keep being force fed money from the noutside

Fracking is economically profitable when oil prices are high

Communism is never the answer

well prices now are low because peopela re not useing as much as they sued to, transport is more efficient now, which is a good thing

No. Prices fell to ~40$ a barrel thanks to oil wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia

Thank allah for the shiah-sunni conflict

If only they could just eradicate themselves.

and even with low prices because of trade war, people are not using sustantially more gas

How can I anonymously pay someone

@Xychotic they are showing us the way on how to treat women