Assuming things were terrible mind you

them*

if you want to raise kids youd need ABSOLUTE authority over them

@frugalcasper A lot of factors. Too many to get into in general chat.

Last thing I want is baby never shuts the fuck up screaming his head off at 2:40 in the morning

Men should be studing engineering and robotics and then work at making sex dolls companies. Could be the next bill gates.

I'm studying cybersecurity, I'll make sure you AI doesn't get hacked or corrupted

Yeah must be a good industry to get into if you are young.

Right now, my autonomy is an absolute value for me, but that’s far from the steps I took to get here.

@Five, Seven, and Two You ever live with a thot?

@Head Scribe Drayanor You and I may yet cross paths one day, Dray.

@frugalcasper Yes.

@Five, Seven, and Two Living with a thot is a mega red pill suppository

@frugalcasper That actually wasn’t a red pill moment for me. I was objectively in the wrong for how it ended.

Yall hear what I was talking about yesterday? This bitch who put up the degree plan for cybersecurity said I don't need calculus. Your ass better believe I'mma be up this summer studying advanced math.

@Five, Seven, and Two interesting

Most guys i've spoke to really saw the value in their freedom once they moved in with a thot

I could throw in my cents to that too since im fresh off 8 year relationship.

Damn that's long

It's blinding. It's not that you don't necessarily value your life but it's blinding. Life is short and when you spend a long time of it with another person you don't have contrast.

It's only after you are free you often realize how much you gave up of yourself.

Especially if you are blue pill.

Yea, I can believe that. I've never had such a long relationship

@frugalcasper She was a surfer and I was a chef. We spent a lot of time traveling and didn’t hang at home much, or for long.

Society tells you all this is normal and you don't realize until you regain what you lost

@Five, Seven, and Two A professional surfer?

@frugalcasper Yeah, Roxy label.

its fucked that the brain washing is so bad that giving kids meds for shit they don't have is considered "normal"

@Five, Seven, and Two Damn, ok so that must have been a lot of traveling

I also think a lot of men get sucked into the relationship/sacrifice lifestyle before they even have a chance to understand what their freedom and autonomy means to them

Yes.

Then they get on a roller coaster with no brakes

I was lucky in that I was never the type to jump from one relationship to the next. I always spent at least a year alone and it helped calibrate the senses so to speak

@frugalcasper Exactly it. I was 21 at the time; I can nearly guarantee I would have passed the event horizon before I had any clue what true autonomy looked like (I sure as fuck didn’t know how it truly was, then).

Though, i am going to say something regarding the 8 year ride. I am blessed, in one day. I didn't commit, I didn't destroy myself and I enjoyed a fulfilling and tryhard relationship. It helped me truly understand the "relationship" part better. This can be incredibly beneficial as men who are 25, 26 even 35 can sometimes desperately want LTR.

That decreases motivation to be great.

And without that motivation its hard to be great at life.

@Five, Seven, and Two That's a fucking great way to explain it. The Event Horizon

I can confidently work 11 hours in a day and feel my day has been worth it now.

In my early 20s that was not possible. I always felt lacking.

I like that too. Event horizon.