Message from @Z-Man (soon to be Y A)

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2019-02-23 06:00:29 UTC  

They tried again in the 1900s and that time it led to the nationlists

2019-02-23 06:00:47 UTC  

That's how the nationlists came to be

2019-02-23 06:01:03 UTC  

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon interesting.. and even then the Qing remained with their heads stuck in theirn own asses

2019-02-23 06:01:28 UTC  

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon that's in 1850s... and that legitmaly shift power to the Han chinese as the nobles can't fight anymore

2019-02-23 06:01:35 UTC  

I just corrected you earlier, lol

2019-02-23 06:01:50 UTC  

1850s, my bad

2019-02-23 06:02:10 UTC  

Qing's entire system broke down when they gave up the imperial test system

2019-02-23 06:02:11 UTC  

it didnt help that the Qing were manchus, seen as foreign invaders

2019-02-23 06:02:23 UTC  

as the upper class no long have a reason to support Qing's royal class

2019-02-23 06:02:35 UTC  

But thats the short version of what went down basically the qing lost the opium war and that made it inevitable for rebellion

2019-02-23 06:02:55 UTC  

the problem wasa Qing's noble class was getting too comfy and lost the ability to fight

2019-02-23 06:03:07 UTC  

or do anything

2019-02-23 06:03:35 UTC  

When the nationlists took power they were just as bad, lol

2019-02-23 06:03:44 UTC  

actually, no, Opium war was a sign of weakness on Qing's part, but actual rebellion from the Han upper class did not start till later 1890s

2019-02-23 06:03:51 UTC  

So the Chinese went through another damn civil war to get them out

2019-02-23 06:04:12 UTC  

And that's when you get the commies we know and love today

2019-02-23 06:04:15 UTC  

? no nationalists never took power

2019-02-23 06:04:22 UTC  

this is something most people don't under stand

2019-02-23 06:04:43 UTC  

there are some strong paralel between the late francha ristocrasy and the late chinese aristocracy

2019-02-23 06:04:47 UTC  

China is not a united country until communist wiped out most military overlords

2019-02-23 06:04:49 UTC  

🤔 :

2019-02-23 06:05:08 UTC  

which doesn't happen till 1949

2019-02-23 06:05:35 UTC  

The nationalists were the ones who got international recognition

2019-02-23 06:05:43 UTC  

During Japan's Invasion China is consisst of many local warlords

2019-02-23 06:05:48 UTC  

When the cia and western banks financed mao like I said.

2019-02-23 06:05:51 UTC  

yes, but they don't have actual power over the warlords

2019-02-23 06:06:09 UTC  

They were submissive towards the nationalist before the war due to nationalist govenrment's superior military

2019-02-23 06:06:25 UTC  

but the nationalist lost most of their main force in the early part of Japan invasion

2019-02-23 06:06:45 UTC  

so Local warlords were more defending their own turf than working with the nationalists during the invasion

2019-02-23 06:06:53 UTC  

The way that the communists took over china is one of the dirtiest moves in military history

2019-02-23 06:07:08 UTC  

They basically let the nationlists deal with the Japanese

2019-02-23 06:07:23 UTC  

And then came out and killed them in a huge ass offensive

2019-02-23 06:07:26 UTC  

that's not even the deciding factor lol

2019-02-23 06:08:16 UTC  

you know that the nationalists was under total trade embargo from 1947 to 1949?

2019-02-23 06:08:38 UTC  

China is the future if the republic falls. The people in China right now are experiencing a decent way of life. There’s a ton of money there with a middle class. Won’t stay that way.

2019-02-23 06:09:13 UTC  

China cannot into freedom though

2019-02-23 06:09:18 UTC  

Decent as long as you tow the party line. You’re as good as dead if you don’t

2019-02-23 06:09:22 UTC  

they couldn't buy a single bullet

2019-02-23 06:09:22 UTC  

we now have an official server waifubot

2019-02-23 06:09:28 UTC  

all the adavnces that were being done in the previos decades it's getting reversed

2019-02-23 06:09:31 UTC  

you can use commands for the waifu bot in <#537153770597908491>