A proper shtf only needs a few percentage points.

maybe even more 95

when all is said and done

So...

Pretty much all of us

@Xychotic The point I am making is that the only way this would be feasible, would be an isolated self sustainable society. However, unless things truly go to shit I do not believe it is worth sacrificing an enjoyable lifestyle for perceived freedom for a corrupt but currently tolerable government.

yeah pretty much

That’s why we need to prep, might move to Montana and wait for it, the rebuild after

@Cruel Reality I disagree.

I can agree with prepping, however it would be more beneficial to establish an information network of individuals in close proximity with valuable skillsets

Have any of you seen the VICE doc on the guy who lives in the middle of Alaska with his wife, he’s an example of someone who would survive in such an event

I doubt there will be much to salvage other than copper, metals, plastics and those types of resources.. we need to start anew

@Cruel Reality See, that's what I was thinking. Create a tribe that knows the deal and comes together when things start slipping.

cities will burn to the ground

houses will burn to the groud

Completely independent person, who would be fine with the collapse of society

it will look like a bad street of detroit

@Leif_Ericksson99 Is his life style pleasant? Could it support a large amount of people? Does he rely on assistance from normal society?

but everywhere lolk

Independence is one of the big parts of The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.

But you should be ready to synergize, too, when you find a brother.

Its ironic because Libertarian societies work a bit like communism

just on a small scale

@Cruel Reality he does have a wife, and no he doesn’t need society, all he does is hunt and trap his food

@Xychotic I agree, I think that would honestly be more valuable. Example: my background is in chemical engineering and physics. One of my cousins is an electrical engineer and spent a year surviving in the woods by himself/is an eagle scout. If we had a few educated people and had to construct something from the ground up i think we could.

Lives in a cabin

The only difference is in a libertarian society you are free to leave and keep your belongings

@Leif_Ericksson99 Talking to only one person and spending all your free time hunting and trapping sounds like a miserable lifelong existence.

@Cruel Reality It's something that bugs me. I'm an MBA in project management. I don't have any dedicated skills though I am handy.

I only got to scout first class. I didn't care to do the things like talk to a senator or representative to achieve eagle rank.

@Cruel Reality Why?

@Xychotic That is untrue, no matter the problem someone who can parse workloads in an efficiency optimized manner is invaluable.

@Cruel Reality I agree, but most people that think of project managers think of douches with clipboards getting in the way. A proper PM should be clearing roadblocks so far ahead that people don't think there were any.

@Cruel Reality I think that’s subjective, I guess compared to us his way of life looks horrible, but if a cataclysmic event where to happen, he would most likely survive whilst we would perish

@BigTyrone Because even the most enjoyable things can become bland with time, or tiring if they fill your entire existence. Hunting and trapping is cool, but imagine every day spending all your time hunting and trapping just to eat, have meaningless conversation with the same person, and go to bed. People seriously underestimate how many forms of stimuli they would miss if put in the situation of life long off the grid isolation.

@Cruel Reality

OOPS

@Cruel Reality Don't forget, survival gets to be pretty damn interesting.

I agree, but then go fishing, go hike to that lake that is 20 km away, build a cabin, build another cabin

Try to make constant electricity

When you have all that work to do, you don't have time to get bored.