Unless you're planning on *building* the house yourself, on land you clear, simply purchasing something is the aim of the last man.

i disagree

With Nietzsche?

With that interpretation

It is what you do with the house

if you sit in it and do nothing but seek comfort in that house then yes you are the last man

If you reinvest and use equity to obtain more houses and build a real estate empire than you are a higher man

what if using it as a "base" to work on other passions

You're making a leap from seeing to your own needs to higher goals.

You don't need to be a real estate owner you can rent

i want to travel, invest, innovate, but i need space

And now we're changing the purpose of why you acquired the house.

Yeah then i agree, its the purpose of the house that matters

Of the house? Or your purpose for acquiring it?

of purchasing it and what you do with it

And if your purpose is to purchase it as an endpoint, for comfort?

last man

Exactly

Retire

Ah, fascinating... so suffering is not the delineating factor between the goal of the last man and the goal of the higher man.

...............

I'm arguing from Nietzsche's own perspective here, by the way; you used suffering as a metric for higher goals and I'm telling you it isn't.

Beanboozled

Both men could "suffer' equally to acquire the house and not be the same man in practice or thought.

This is the issue he took with Schopenhauer's "altruism" as an absolute measure.

i think you missed his original point entirely

I said not all suffering is worth it

You're changing your argument.

"if you want to achieve your goals, it will require suffering and that suffering will be good for you after you've achieved your goal"

a higher man obtains his goals through suffering

As can a last man.

So suffering is not the measure by which you should assess your goals.

yes but not all suffering is equal

@Five, Seven, and Two fogazzi philosopher

But equal suffering does not make for equal goals.

I dont deny that

@metal_mango You're drunk, I'll let this slide.

i sobered up, but bye

I thought you were going to sleep @metal_mango lol

i thought so too

lol