its less enforcing will and more " the final form of negotiation" being the last one alive

@Whats gay anymore If you want to nitpick, yes you are

An independent country

Your definition of gang is so flimsy that everything is a gang

My 2 year old niece is a gang

My cat is a gang

gang
/ɡaNG/
noun

1.
an organized group of criminals.

again from oxford

@Whats gay anymore It is actually, and it is not my definition.

What definition sees gang as anything that enforces?

@AVRO Architect Correct, and who can honestly say they have never broken a law?

i think our biggest problem tonight is that we do not have a common definition for many of the words and concepts we have been using

Well this definition of gang makes me a gang

So I think the argument is moot

@AVRO Architect I agree with you on the definition

the key word was "organized" in the phrase "organized criminals"

It is, and you kind of need more than one person

in effect you need to combine both definitions

Yup, and then you get into the word 'criminals'

as for the question about breaking the law, many nations and states have laws that remain in their legal code from times when they were relevant but no longer are, are un-enforceable, and there are the vague open ended laws that basically make anything a crime so technically everyone likely has broken the law, but probably unwittingly

It is the same in every country mate, I am not having a gi at the US specifically

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then there are the rediculous ones we never bothered repealing and everyone breaks anyway, like the one they just repealed in utah that used to make sex outside of marriage illegal

Neither am I, may I ask you what continent you are in?

North America

Ok, so there is two more countries there, I will not ask you witch

its not that hard a guess

worst case scenario you narrow me down to 40 million or so people

Not really, you great command of English give you away 😉

one of the 3 I claim to have knowledge of

@AVRO Architect I am not trying to dox you mate

i know, there are rules here. Its more for the others observing

after all this was hardly private

I see your point, I must say you are very good with arguments, even if I disagree with you on some points

What you have experienced and what I have are two very different things, I practically grew up with the military, I understand it well, just like how I know there are militaries out there that practically are organized crime (Iran, Iraq, Russia, China, etc)

I won't deny the crimes of the past or our modern day contemporaries.

I think all of them would disagree with that point. I have never been to the military, so I will admit I rely on second hand information only

What defines a force like this the most is the quality of the people who make it up

I agree, and people in gangs are not all bad, as all people in the military is not all bad

I can certainly defend the Iraq claim, search up the US army's study as to why the Iraqis lost so miserably (in the gulf war) , the equipment and force size they had should have performed better than they did, even though they were outclassed

Well, yes. do you start to understand my connection with the military with gangs in this case at least?