i don't know why that was

if the bicycle tyre is too much work yes @Unknowncrash

@Unknowncrash are you a virgin if i may?

@Sigma prolly that's the leading factor to you to mgtow

Yup

I don't know how I'd feel about it

Cause it ain't a necessity

@Unknowncrash what do you mean?

@Unknowncrash it depends on the person if pump and dump is worth .... some guys are more desirable to girls .. soo if u are a person who have to do wayyy out of ur way for sex then its a bad idea but if bitches are swarming u then pump and dump is good

@Sigma i was the old of four lads with a mother who made me her chore slave

@Unknowncrash then i suggest you try, again at least for the experience. I think that question would be best answered by your own experience and value on sex.

i think that was the catalyst, with the abuse on top that got me here

Hmm

@Unknowncrash pump and dump is probably worth it if your sex drive is high and you are confident you can dodge the trap, anyway you'll get bored after a few runs prolly

I'm a bit of a 6.5 or 7

But short

So...

being short can be a deal braker in itself with these vapid women brother

you should be able to land a 3 or 4 at least for the night.

I'm not sure if it's worth the experience @sigma

pump and dumb pay for play whores

dump

if sex is really hard to get then fuck it just do your own thing ignore women but again if they are women who are easy pumps and dumps then do it

Nah, I don't think sex is hard to get

@Unknowncrash I would not nessicarily suggest pump and dump but you should definetly still a tempt to have good interactions with women, if it happens it happens, I don't think it's healthy to close off completely at 17

I'm just saying in general...I don't know what experience your referring to @Unknowncrash

never bareback

^^

I have the "fuck you all" attitude

Experience means having sex with real women

@Unknowncrash yeah i agree with reaper. Not good to socially isolate at all but especially at your age.

@Unknowncrash my experience with pump and dump isn't large at all, but i quickly noticed : a well done fap (no porn, 100% imagination) is just as good, no feelings for the girl makes it trashy

Dude

have sex with whores and compare it to "real women", much better results from this.

I get you guys care

I really do

But

I really never fit in

It's a fucking curse

Like

I don't know