Message from @Kaiser Dion Napoleon

Discord ID: 536202305524072458


2019-01-19 15:12:33 UTC  

why r ur goals important

2019-01-19 15:12:42 UTC  

Because I chose them, JDB.

2019-01-19 15:13:00 UTC  

why did u choose them

2019-01-19 15:13:14 UTC  

Because I find them to be fulfilling to the things that I value.

2019-01-19 15:13:32 UTC  

what makes things have value to you?

2019-01-19 15:14:13 UTC  

Do they make me happy

2019-01-19 15:14:22 UTC  

yeah but why

2019-01-19 15:14:24 UTC  

At a basal level, there are things that are detrimental and beneficial and those have short and long term impacts. Having identified the various factors in my life, I balance the ratios to avoid fatal short term detriment and collect short and long term benefit.

2019-01-19 15:15:03 UTC  

u didn't really answer my question

2019-01-19 15:15:09 UTC  

Happiness is entirely dependent on the individual

2019-01-19 15:15:13 UTC  

Yes, I did.

2019-01-19 15:15:22 UTC  

don't think you did

2019-01-19 15:15:29 UTC  

Hmm..

2019-01-19 15:15:39 UTC  

How about we think of this from an AI perspective?

2019-01-19 15:15:46 UTC  

Let's say happiness is your reward function

2019-01-19 15:15:52 UTC  

You want to maximize this

2019-01-19 15:16:02 UTC  

How do we define happiness?

2019-01-19 15:16:10 UTC  

Because I think happiness is a sham.

2019-01-19 15:16:18 UTC  

That's a good one. I think happiness is a result from having your needs met

2019-01-19 15:16:26 UTC  

'feeling good' should be the reward function

2019-01-19 15:16:31 UTC  

From an AI perspective happiness would be fulfilling the function it was made to do

2019-01-19 15:16:37 UTC  

Define happiness in meow currency

2019-01-19 15:16:40 UTC  

Then why not take up narcotics?

2019-01-19 15:16:45 UTC  

u could

2019-01-19 15:16:45 UTC  

Wow

2019-01-19 15:16:48 UTC  

Good one Xy

2019-01-19 15:16:51 UTC  

Now we're getting somewhere

2019-01-19 15:16:55 UTC  

@Nawalter Jizney NYAN IS MEOW RAWR !!!!!

2019-01-19 15:17:27 UTC  

Let's say we're agents destined to maximize happiness. We all have different environments and are setup in a different way so we're good/bad in different things

2019-01-19 15:17:41 UTC  

But happiness is not defined.

2019-01-19 15:17:44 UTC  

You could try to sustain a lifestyle of drugs and partying, but that will be short-lived

2019-01-19 15:17:50 UTC  

It's easily confused with bliss and pleasure.

2019-01-19 15:17:56 UTC  

But seriously though, why not take up narcotics

2019-01-19 15:17:57 UTC  

hmm?

2019-01-19 15:18:12 UTC  

@Nawalter Jizney That might be what we need. Currently narcotics are seen as "bad"

2019-01-19 15:18:15 UTC  

You can be fatally overdosed with narcotics and therefore be blissed out *for the rest of your life*.

2019-01-19 15:18:28 UTC  

But they might be the answer if we develop a certain narcotic that really cures your unhappiness without negative effects

2019-01-19 15:18:45 UTC  

I mean addiction is garbage obviously

2019-01-19 15:18:48 UTC  

Again, this is based on "happiness"

2019-01-19 15:19:00 UTC  

@Xychotic What is happiness?

2019-01-19 15:19:14 UTC  

Google says: feeling or showing pleasure or contentment.