I am in the process of watching it

I'm not a fan of it so far

too be honest, the beginnig is not that relevant for me (in either video) since the definition between MGTOW and Incel doesn't bother me

I was gonna say, TFM used to call incels TFL (True Force Loneliness) , and said that they're not MGTOW.

I can understand that TFM now saying that Incels CAN be MGTOW with a change in attitude is a little suss

It's kinda like the "Alpha pickup artist" who tells the beta "He CAN be alpha, with a change in his attitude", like, selling a pipe dream. Except making Incels stop valuing women so much is a lot more achievable

I mean, I see nothing wrong there, atleast by your frasing. Incels are not MGTOW but they can be
And yes, it is easier to go from Incel to MGTOW than from beta to Alpha, specially if you consider that Alphas have thing that are giving from their genes. Btw, by easier I didn't mean it's easy, since many MGTOW men end up finding their way back to the plantation (by "MGTOW men" I'm talking about people that actually tried going MGTOW but failed)

hope it's not to confusing

No i see where you're coming from

But a lot of Youtube channels make their money by selling people a pipe dream

and I think TFM specifically had this shift from "Incels aren't MGTOW" to "Incels CAN BE MGTOW", because it would net him subscribers / not alienate the fan base.

I wouldn't go that far, but it can be a possability

how are those statements at all opposed to eachother?

which?

They're not opposed to each other

hows that really a shift then?

They're a frame shift.

It's going from "You're not us, don't bother"

To "You could be like us, just keep taking red pills from us!"

is that not a positive change?

also i disagree. he was saying incels arent mgtow to people who keep lumping incels and mgtow together

and saying to incels. you can be mgtow just take the red pill

And I even said, that COULD be seen as suss, because it could seem like TFM cowtowing to Incels. I don't think it's a bad thing

I think he's right

if you take the context out of things you can frame it any way you want

i have a foxgirl waifu because i think women are not worth my time

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take it out of context you can say nexus is obsessed with his foxgirl waifu

because hes an incel

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I see where you're coming from buddy

im not your buddy, pal

I fukin knew it 😂

Don't throw my Canadian kindness in my face! LOL

I'm on the part of TFM's video where he talks about the doll now

you didnt even catch on to the meme. u aint a memer confirmed

also im canadian too

(I'm not your pal, friend)

too late

i am dissapoint

I know the meme I just don't gotta go full out with it