In attempting to sell, one doesn't value the freedom they have in the first place, so you haven't taken away something they never valued

anybody who wants power will desire to buy someone's freedom and give them security.

and men want power. because men are competitive. on so many different plains other that reproduction as well

again, defeats human nature

you just have to accept sometimes you have a golden age and eventually you have a dark age

The moment you attempt to trade your freedom for security, you deserve neither. Simply the attempt at such an exchange shifts one into a category that lacks the capacity to argue it's independent consciousness

even when human reproduction is solved by the artificial wombs

so what do you do with them

It defeats a proportion, but not the whole. At some point individuals have to turn on npcs

artificial wombs will mend the birthrate

but not the welfare state

in fact, it reinforces it

not if women can't vote

There's no value in saving a dying culture

It's dying for a reason

if women can't vote then the artificial womb isn't that useful

I disagree

yes there is, it still contains value in scientific developments, infrastructure etc. its worth attempting to salvage or even prevent its destruction all together

dude what, the artificial womb enables men to have the kids they want and raise them without the risk of women fucking it up

Exactly

Imagine Tesla in a free world... What advancements he would have made amongst a population that worshipfully respected achievement and individuality

and since its men doing the work and earning the women, they're be the majority able to afford artificial womb

dude, there's no way we're going to have it all

i see it as a matter of their rights going away

or the art womb coming

yes that would have been great bracholi

The fact is, these individuals have been enslaved and their productivity robbed to prop up group thinkers

I agree

Einstein purposefully fucked his math in a way that has set back science for half a century and more

Not only that, but actually removing who gets to have kids out of females hands is priceless all on its own

He gave us nukes knowing "we" would use them

again, we're talking about practically, what can change. what system could be the most free is minarchist republic. but you will not be able to stop people from eventuallly fucking it up again

@Bracholi people can trade away freedom for less responsibility if they want, so long as their is a balance between what you are responsible for and what you have the rights to everything is fine

exactly

It's fundamentally deeper than this. National level anything is an actual plague on humanity

The reasons why slavery doesn’t work is because you pin responsibility lying on some one who has no rights

yeah we disagree there then

The reason why tyrant doesn’t work is because some has authority over other people without responsibility

Slavery doesn’t work because ... economics ...

Exactly ^

Balance is an important thing