well I spend my time playing hentai games

instead of whining about how shit the society is

You also whine about SFM talking too much.

I'm not bitching about hopelessness, i'm just sayin' that you must know that there is nothing special in things, and that makes me value life more.

That’s a philosophical contradiction, by the by.

MGTOW is like the rite of passage that tribal societies used to put boys through to make the men. Where they would be cast out into the wild for a period of time and have to learn to survive and fend for themselves.. the western world has generally lost this and I think MGTOW is our instinct craving for that rite of passage

@wounded_wanderer Many also use the military for that.

@Xychotic that's also true.. in South Africa we don't really have that.. we used to in the past however

In that sense, it is the first step in MGTOW

Sometimes i think a society like old Sparta is what men need. Even if it sounds barbarian.

But i'm unsure if that would work.

Men need challenge. Not a barbaric society.

Sparta catches a lot of heat for very overblown characteristics. Really wasn’t that barbaric.

Well maybe not barbaric

But primitive.

To the town of Agua Fria rode a stranger one fine day

Well, sorry, let me correct: it wasn’t barbaric *in context of other societies at the time*, but definitely compared to the Nerf and Fisher-Price world of today.

No way.

Sparta was a thing 2500 years ago.

They were "primitive" by definition.

But they were also highly insular and that caused them a great deal of problems when they opened up.

We’re not born to work 9-5 and wear seatbelts and drive around and email resumes. That’s just some weird fantasy land Disney shit that everyone is falling for

Boi.

I say, B-O-I!

9-5 is *easy*

Every man is to be an Odysseus, Aeneas, Achilles. Expedition of Cyrus

That would mean the billions of our ancestors were all alphas.

That's also silly.

Wait...

Are you taking a marketing class?

No

Are you testing out the counter-Gillette ad on HHH servers?

lol

The average work day for a man until very, very recently in history was 14 to 18 hours.

Are you gonna say "we wuz kangz"?

So, about that, hunter gatherers tended to be pretty chill when the times were good..

How is being fat a disability? Get that fuckin Handicap thing out your car you fat bitch

Agriculture ratcheted up the human workload to ridiculous levels.

But then the agricultural revolution and some key inventions (steel plowshares and proper bridles for horses) reduced that again. Then modern machines even more.

And now we have 9-5 jobs that are often just busy work for useless people.

Like HR.