@Andrew The Meme King Gotcha

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> Are we picking and choosing arbitrarily which monopolies of violence that the state has are good and which are not?
not arbitrarily. there are necessities which you can't avoid. having a functional army is one of them. try to defend your government-less country from invading forces without a working army

and yes, for those, I'm willing to chip in some part of my income (actually I'm willing to do more, but that's another discussion)

It wouldn't even be a country because countries need borders enforced by those that have obtained a monopoly of violence (e.g. a state or a corporation).

After reading our responses and having a more thorough back and forth, its clear that we do not live on the same planet, but that's ok.

what do you think a country is?

Great question.

In my opinion, a country is just an abstraction concocted by people for the sake of an imagined identity/community.

do you live in the US?

Why does it matter?

because everyone in the US speaks english, and more or less has the same cultural background

Haha no

this is not the same for europe/africa/asia/whatever

Like I said, we don't live on the same planet. I think that the US has many different cultural backgrounds and languages.

oh, so the US is not a country where you can get around with using english?

that's new information to me

What do you mean by "where you can get around with using english"?

really?

Do you want to answer or not?

try to get around in rural areas in europe, with only using english, you'll see what I'm talking about

Like there aren't areas like that in the US lol

There are areas in which English is not spoken as much as other areas of the country.

so getting back to my original point, before we're dwelling too much into defining terms for no other reason than mudding up the discussion: a country is a unity of cultural values and language, which formed throughout the times. and countries have borders, because people have tribal instincts.

Yeah... to me all of those things are what adds to a peoples' identity of an imagined community, not necessarily what is widely used or available.

Just because people are tribal, it does not follow that all aspects of tribalism will lead to the propping up of borders or even a commonly used language.

you can be a world citizen for all I care, I just suggest you don't force it on anybody else, because they might violently disagree.

You say that as if the state or those in favor of capital won't violently disagree...

Which sounds like hypocrisy...

with what?

dude, noone holds you back from moving to another country and live the dream

nice meme lol

you hating the current system is one, yes

that's the problem with MGTOW, it makes men lie to themselves and not see the issues that plague their lives.

Dude, you clearly hate the current system as well, just in a different way than I do lol

if you agree with forcibly distributing the fruits of labor, choose mexico, cuba, or venezuela, they are good at it

I hated the system when I was younger, but then I learned to use it.

you are also free to adapt, blaming anyone else for your misery is hyperbolic

We clearly do not live on the same planet. I never said that I was in favor of distributing anything.

>implying that capitalism is the system of innovation