Message from @Seven Of Swords

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2018-09-06 21:38:28 UTC  

Do what thou will.

2018-09-06 21:40:11 UTC  

you bet

2018-09-06 21:46:29 UTC  

How can someone suggest that the state holding people at gunpoint in some circumstances is bad, yet in others is justified?

2018-09-06 21:47:05 UTC  

Are we picking and choosing arbitrarily which monopolies of violence that the state has are good and which are not?

2018-09-06 21:47:17 UTC  

>the state holding people at gunpoint is bad

2018-09-06 21:47:37 UTC  

>we should have a state for the sake of providing a military or police force which will hold people at gunpoint

2018-09-06 21:47:47 UTC  

People still need to make up their minds.

2018-09-06 21:51:29 UTC  

If we are simply just going to accept some evils as necessary, why try to change anything if any social system can be argued as having its own problems as being necessary in the first place?

2018-09-06 21:51:36 UTC  

It just makes no sense...

2018-09-06 21:56:11 UTC  

I would really value if this fucking bot would not delete my comments

2018-09-06 21:56:31 UTC  

The bot is annoying lmao

2018-09-06 21:56:42 UTC  

@Andrew The Meme King Fix the bot pls

2018-09-06 21:58:03 UTC  

alright so I'll post my answer to your wall of text ON FUCKING PASTEBIN, because of THE FUCKING BOTS

2018-09-06 21:58:14 UTC  

gotcha

2018-09-06 21:58:16 UTC  

@Seven Of Swords it's an ongoing issue I'm trying to fix it

2018-09-06 21:58:30 UTC  
2018-09-06 21:58:35 UTC  
2018-09-06 21:58:42 UTC  

right there

2018-09-06 22:01:15 UTC  

> Are we picking and choosing arbitrarily which monopolies of violence that the state has are good and which are not?
not arbitrarily. there are necessities which you can't avoid. having a functional army is one of them. try to defend your government-less country from invading forces without a working army

2018-09-06 22:01:51 UTC  

and yes, for those, I'm willing to chip in some part of my income (actually I'm willing to do more, but that's another discussion)

2018-09-06 22:03:22 UTC  

It wouldn't even be a country because countries need borders enforced by those that have obtained a monopoly of violence (e.g. a state or a corporation).

2018-09-06 22:03:57 UTC  

After reading our responses and having a more thorough back and forth, its clear that we do not live on the same planet, but that's ok.

2018-09-06 22:04:20 UTC  

what do you think a country is?

2018-09-06 22:04:29 UTC  

Great question.

2018-09-06 22:05:03 UTC  

In my opinion, a country is just an abstraction concocted by people for the sake of an imagined identity/community.

2018-09-06 22:05:16 UTC  

do you live in the US?

2018-09-06 22:05:23 UTC  

Why does it matter?

2018-09-06 22:05:40 UTC  

because everyone in the US speaks english, and more or less has the same cultural background

2018-09-06 22:05:48 UTC  

Haha no

2018-09-06 22:05:58 UTC  

this is not the same for europe/africa/asia/whatever

2018-09-06 22:06:13 UTC  

Like I said, we don't live on the same planet. I think that the US has many different cultural backgrounds and languages.

2018-09-06 22:07:07 UTC  

oh, so the US is not a country where you can get around with using english?

2018-09-06 22:07:17 UTC  

that's new information to me

2018-09-06 22:07:41 UTC  

What do you mean by "where you can get around with using english"?

2018-09-06 22:07:56 UTC  

really?

2018-09-06 22:08:05 UTC  

Do you want to answer or not?

2018-09-06 22:08:57 UTC  

try to get around in rural areas in europe, with only using english, you'll see what I'm talking about

2018-09-06 22:10:22 UTC  

Like there aren't areas like that in the US lol

2018-09-06 22:10:50 UTC  

There are areas in which English is not spoken as much as other areas of the country.

2018-09-06 22:11:20 UTC  

so getting back to my original point, before we're dwelling too much into defining terms for no other reason than mudding up the discussion: a country is a unity of cultural values and language, which formed throughout the times. and countries have borders, because people have tribal instincts.

2018-09-06 22:12:17 UTC  

Yeah... to me all of those things are what adds to a peoples' identity of an imagined community, not necessarily what is widely used or available.