Going "off the grid" is pretty much impossible because the Government declared that all land that isn't privatized is its own... because of its own sovereignty.

Yes, imminent domain.

Any one of us can be drafted immediately.

All accounts can be frozen/confiscated.

Hmmm in 2016 girls say "your smile is beautiful!!" "Don't look gloomy" but didn't studies say girls love when a man is miserable?

The government has entire control over our lives if you truly understand it.

@machtyn How can you say "that's simply it. oh well" and still think that you have more control than you really do?

@IceRGodZ Who cares what women want 😄

What do they want LOL

So what you guys are saying is true. But to me a better viewpoint is how can I live my life how I want. If there are hurdles figure a way around them. Don't focus on the obstacle look for the path over or around it.

@Seven Of Swords Your reading my statement as nihilistic but it's not. It's not "oh well." What would you suggest we do? The only options were the ones I listed. You can lobby for political change.

These social institutions are pretty much holding you at gunpoint to play otherwise you will starve to death or be thrown in a a cage...

@Seven Of Swords yes.

If you don't pay taxes, men with guns will find you.

@Lilu Agree!

You can work for cash. Travel to a different country do maritime work, start a business etc....

Yes, you can live off the grid as much as possible or leave or both.

Or, lobby for change.

What you pay to Cesar, you pay to Cesar, what you pay to God, you pay to God

@machtyn So are you in favor of the system that will hunt you down if you do not give them arbitrary paper strips when they arbitrarily decide that they want it?

or you can just pay the taxes and save up and get out of the system as quickly as possible.

Sounds like robbery...

@Seven Of Swords You're personally MGTOW but you're politically trying to affect change. I just want you to see that irony 😄 I agree with you that it's a fucked system.

I'm not MGTOW...

@Seven Of Swords Oh no... don't get me wrong. I am a libertarian/minarchist.

@Seven Of Swords Oh, apologies.

ya it's robbery. you can fight the " good fight " or you can focus on living a life that you enjoy.

I want small government and markets to do the rest.

full MGTOW is different than an apprentice to MGTOW. Or a bit of MGTOW embedded

@IceRGodZ Like it 😄

@Lilu But what happens when you cannot live the life that you want to enjoy because of the very institutions that demands that you can only enjoy your life within the boundaries that itself has created?

MGTOW and black pill seem to be closely tied together.

@Seven Of Swords Taxes/Inflation (a form of tax due to fiat currency) have always been robbery.

@machtyn Are you ok with being robbed?

you can always live a life that you enjoy.

Especially when you consider 75%-80% of spending is on welfare... it's charity in my eyes.

You can have tax reductions

@Lilu What if I wanted to live a life without the government stepping in all of the time? What if I want a life without wage labor?

shit happens in life. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I'm just saying that you have to pick your fights and focus on what you can change

@Seven Of Swords I make 65-70k. I pay 10-15k in taxes because I max out my tax advantaged accounts to lower tax bills. I spend 10-15k per year. I invest the rest. You can easily save 1-2 million within 10-15 years and live off it.

You invest to help the society, you aren't being a slave to the government or conpany