So, freedom with constraints is your solution?

Not my solution. It's the current system.

So why not change it?

We're not designing better solutions here. Unless you're a policy maker... we have no say in that.

Why aren't you?

Why use the current political system as the method of change?

Its clearly dogshit so we have to think of new systems of change instead...

It's not change. It's survival. Just like with going your own way.

You can lobby, leave or ghost.

Then why not think of new ways to survive rather than the current system's bullshit constructs of what survival is?

If you lobby, I'd support you!

What if lobbying is not good enough?

I personally feel like I am doing well in this system because I am very unconventional in wealth, health and career.

It's not, lol. Lobbying doesn't do shit most of the time.

How about other methods of change that would not require a government or even the invention of a new political party?

Like?

Well... one way could be for a massive worker drop out all across the world.

Satan is the government. Who did satan go after..... *THE WOMAN*

@IceRGodZ I suggest you max out 401k, IRA and HSA every year. It's $27,450 tax advantaged for 2018. It lowers your taxable income too.

And most women are chewing up the government LOL

Billions of people deciding to drop out of the work force, employment and making new systems that are not dependent upon wage labor, money or governments.

@Seven Of Swords If we did that, the government's answer is immigration. Workers leaving is the same as people dying.

Oh, billions? Never will happen.

People need to eat.

@machtyn The people that push papers for immigration would drop out as well...

What do you think would happen if millions of people decided to quit working for the government?

men are leaving workforce

Well, if that happened... basically, a unionization strike of the entire working force... then yes we could do whatever we wanted.

My gen are lazy to work like me

We were not taught to like jobs

We are fucked in the futureeee XD

@Seven Of Swords Why do you think student loans were given out to everyone? Why do you think subprime mortgages were given out? Why do you think credit cards with 30+% are given out?

To create slaves.

So we can't do what you're suggesting.

@IceRGodZ Not necessarily... its just that the current construct of how people have made work are becoming more and more ourdated.

@IceRGodZ How old are you?

20

@IceRGodZ I'm 24.

@machtyn Precisely. So how can you claim that MGTOW is freedom when you just admitted to me that we are all slaves?

I just don't have work or job in my mind at all

Freedom with constraints is dogshit.