here's non-seduction:

Man: Hi
Woman: Hey
Man: You're pretty and I'd like to have sex with you... maybe after we sit and chat a bit... if you want
Woman: ...I guess. I want that too. But let's sort of go slow, okay?
Man: I just want sex
Woman: Okay, hold on. Let me get my purse

And voi-frigging-la, you have honesty right there and no games or deception or seduction

or anybody for that matter

yeah

a hippie tried to seduce me

that's part of the reason why I don't try. Women know when men want, but you have to play a fucking game to get it

If two people are attracted to each other, why can't they just be upfront and direct? Instead of playing a little game

her tits looked decent especially cuz she didnt wear bras (didnt believe in them, feminist) but her unshaven legs were the last straw for me (besides that she was struggling and had two little kids)... I turned her down... then she took me to court on false charges of threats, intimidation, and making sexual passes at her AND her two daughters (2 and 4 years old). Outstanding... The court didnt go for it but I did get a restraining order. I was totally in the right... But I dont like being seduced and I hate seducing others even more

If you do it right, you have to learn how to flirt, how to interact properly, have social proof, have status and money, etc...you know PUA stuff. Fuck that not worth the effort

What a fucking headache

her nipples constantly poking thru her shirt... trying to seduce and use men... and she was bi too

hell no Im not performing for ANYONE

That another reason I don't bother with getting a GF...One might like you and also be crazy

Majority of the women are Bi.

Some of them are lesbians.

I dont like doing gfs as they believe that ONLY THEIR AGENDA matters

Crazy, hot, and Attracted to you...That's trouble right there

everyone's agenda matters; you have to reciprocate

thats not trouble for me

For me it would be, because I have no experience with women

Getting a GF for pussy is stupid, why would you sign up for something like monogamy if that is what you wanted? And why would you want to deal with the emotional crap that comes with it, in addition to the withholding of sex?

I don't really

Ideally I could just do casual and get on with my life

I do a few VERY QUICK tests... I just see where their head is and that doesnt take long. Emotions spill shit about you out before you can stop them and women are emotional. I always know when a girl likes me. Its like some part of her soul or aura reaches out and slaps my ass or something...

@ColdEmbraceOfDeath thats right... why do emotions when you're not planning on marrying this person

casual dating is best for ALL men

ALL men

just hang out and find out where her head is and go from there

That has a lot of truth to it

never date just one; be free

of course its easy for sigmas to say that

Idk man...It would be nice to have a successful relationship and all that happily ever after, but unicorns aren't real and that's the image everyone projects about relationships. The media and people in relationships act like it's the best thing to happen to anybody. That's not reality and I know that because I have parents

Old couples, you can learn a lot from old couples. They are so far past each other's BS that it's something else to see

some 30-40 years married together...That's insane to me

Same can be said about my grandparents.

It's just a phase that is glorified.

Anything that is being sugar coated is just a product that is being sold for someone's gain.

In this case, it's to get people married and have kids, just so the human race keeps existing.

That's really all it is

But something is going on where people are just batshit crazy now

People can't get along for more than 20mins

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