It's men or the state keeping them down. The state has replaced fathers and have become paternal to most women. 70+% of welfare is given to women.

not only do they have to look good physically, they have to out perform men and each other in academics and jobs etc

According to feminism, they have to be men.

Yes.

I agree with that.

However, the burden of performance is also placed on men to be utilities.

its also true raising kids is more expensive than ever.

Daycare costs most working women half thier salary

Yes

Taxes are higher.

Its true to an extent, but a female can always go back to traditionalism and have a simp take care of her. So if she is ever tired of being a strong independent wahmen, she can get a simp.

Once the state realized two income households could work, they loved it.

my mom was a top doctor out of med school, she had to pay half of her montly salary to a Daycare

@Punished Korgoth Yes. An option men don't have and even if they did - they'd be the ones providing anyways.

@The-Free-Monk That's the price you pay for having kids and a career.

no wonder they dont want kids

i am anti-natalist myself anyway

i guess most MGTOW Monks are

Yeah, most males hate being under the control of someone else. We are hard wired to go out and collect our own resources and be individuals. Women on the other hand are the unholy union between a child and a borg.

What is anti-natalist?

someone who opposes the idea of having offspring ethically

Women have replaced the "patriarchy" with "state."

Men are the main tax payers. So, they're still abusing men.

"There are two types of dogs in this world.There are stray dogs, and those who choose to be lap dogs. Never knowing where their next meal will come from, stray dogs wander alone in the rain in exchange for freedom. Lap dogs are kept on a short leash and for one measly bone a day, content with defeat"

It will only get worse. As more women realize what @The-Free-Monk just said - they will all get knocked up, get welfare and work part-time, fulltime or quit.

I am the stray dog

@The-Free-Monk Hey man... I dislike that quote. I love my roommate's puppy.

I take her on a shit load of walks and feed her eggs/meat most nights.

But, I do wish she could live wild.

@The-Free-Monk I think I fit that criteria. I never wanted kids and will never have them. I am debating a vasectomy still.

there's something so deeply admiral about a lone dog, injured, wandering in the rain, struggling to survive, hunting and solving problems

I agree.

I think women have no option but to be lap dogs

if they tried to be stray, our species would have gone extinct a long time ago

Most women, I agree. There are exceptions.

Yup

if women abused thier mind and bodies as ferociously and rigorously as men do, they would become infertile and die in youth

those women may have existed, but they never replicated thier genes for obvious reasons

an adventurous femme fetale super women does not maximize the offspring's chances of survival, so the dominant males may have abandoned such women or left them to starve

Makes sense.

I guess now that selection mechanism has changes those type of women are becoming more and more common, but their fundamental mating strategy seems no different then normal women