At some point it is only logical to consider callusion

@Reaper but I've identified the source, and we can't stop it but there are things we could do

@AllThingsExpendable I am for a totally free market with no state to allow for the most individual progress and thus collective advancement. I agree it will never take place, maybe after a collapse a return to minanarchism will occur but it will grow out of control again. Human nature is weakness. I don't see a society opting out of procreation. People will always make babies. I do see taxes placed on men and women not having kids.

its the jews

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon man's nature is 1 aspect, the manipulation of man's nature is the bigger role imo

@AllThingsExpendable So your agreement with mgtow ends with "the legal system is misandrist?"

You manipulate mens nature by appealing to their self interest

@agogeghost Yeah, that I agree.

If you can assure food, water, shelter and plenty of sexual partners you'll gain the loyalty of most men

Us wanting to fuck, eat, shit, sleep does not lead to the world wide support of sexualizikg children and state covered tranny surgery, time to wake up and smell the social programming

Yup

men are in some regards simple creatures

@AllThingsExpendable do you agree with the idea of female nature?

It doesnt take alot to make us loyal

It takes even less to make women loyal

@Reaper No, that's a narrative pushed on us

Yeah just provide safety and resources

@atomic Generally, yes. But I feel like some arguments are bit too exaggerated.

You just need to take their rights away and make them secure

Which is really scary now that you mentioned

since politicians can easily please dumb cows

The politicians aren't the problem @Punished Korgoth

They are elected by the people

@agogeghost but this is my point human nature has not taken us to this point alone, we have allowed the most corrupt to take power and they ( understanding human nature better than us) have used it against us with sadistic precision

Corrupt politicians are a symptom of a stupid population

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon Yeah but I was just saying how easy it is for them to please the populace. but yeah women are the problem. But at the same time its mens fault for not keeping the coveted pimp hand strong

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon but what if the ppl are "educated" to be stupid?

@AllThingsExpendable fair enough. I just see literally no benefit in women other than procreation and childbearing/caring so I don't see why I should sacrifice half (if I'm lucky) of everything I've built just for that

Was their democracy even real then?

I think all women and most men are at fault

Only about 20% of men are innocent here

^

Most likely less

Yeah

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon I blame men almost entirely, woman only get away with what men allow

The simps have the gun LOADED. Yet they will not use it. We mgtow do have the gun but it is not loaded. Yet we are willing to use it.

feelsbadman

@atomic I think women are more important than that. I would have to default to a sort of Christian or religious argument, that the communion of men and women realizes a true individual nature. A bond that's mean't to be fulfilling, though imperfect.

@Reaper Yes, I am currently reading "Tragedy and Hope" and "The Creature from Jekyll Island." I won't say I believe any of it and I won't be buying gold/silver anytime soon but I do agree it has some interesting possibilities.

like tfm says if men had the balls to take woman's rights they wouldn't do shit but change their panties from the collective pussy dripping

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon You can't truly blame men in the fact, choices were made generations bfore any of us were alive. These choice are so heavily enforced by the police state now that we live under a despotic system, that if we try to escape, we die or become slaves to the state.