In my personal experience no

Nurse maybe

As much as relationshits are in a bad state, the world would definitely be much worse off without them.

@Aero-Mach Maybe it's just my internal monk speaking, but the only thing I see is that they are cute. That's about it.

They're tasty snacks to look at and play around with too.

Besides, the kids are much worse off without relationships, which means lower quality people for the future. Eventually you end up with a shithole from uneducated serial killers running around.

@Aero-Mach I used to romanticize the interaction with them, always thought how awesome the sex is and all that.. But it really isn't, the thirst just makes memories grow sweeter with time. The fantasy of it doesn't match the reality.

Suit yourself. I'm not a pussy beggar or a oneitis mangina type but I can definitely understand why men would want sex/relationship.

It's never what you expect or wish

@BlzAhz I fell for the trap of only remembering the good in a relationship. I always got that urge to text them and reconcile, then I would remember all the terrible shit they did out of boredom orwhatever

@Aero-Mach Yea, but the relationship isn't there.

It's better to understand that women *don't* provide value rather than them being incapable of doing so. When you look at it like that, it makes sense as to why there are still so many men chasing some fictional girl he thinks exist.

It's just a thought entertained by the man

Make sense, right? They're worthless to you(and me) because they choose to be. Not because they are inherently flawed or undesirable.

@Aero-Mach But yeah about the kids being worse off.. I think you are right about that. But personally I don't care about that (I'm not procreating), and that's why I think our views differ. Don't get me wrong, I understand that other people want to leave something for the future generations i.e. thinking stuff after their deaths, leaving a legacy.

@ToastMcGhost I've always been like that, got back together with 2 of my exes that way and it was over again in weeks because in reality they were shitty

@Aero-Mach "Make sense, right? They're worthless to you(and me) because they choose to be. Not because they are inherently flawed or undesirable." I don't think they have a choice, women just don't care about men as people.

But I don't think they are flawed. They just have nothing to offer me.

But that's just my personal view.

*Women can't care, the ability just isn't in them.

It's not their fault.

I don't disagree with you necessarily. The only thing we differ on is women. Which I think are bad by choice, not by inherent flaws in what they are.

The same way men can choose to ignore typical destructive masculine traits, women can do the same, they just don't. Obviously we know they aren't incapable of resisting biological inclinations. So while we both agree that they have little to offer, I believe it's a choice they make, whether conscious or not.

Women have an easy time saying no to men, but they have a hard time saying no to themselves. Which leads to many of the issues we see today, in the western world at least.

They can't help it; they are what they are.

But we know for a fact they can.

They only look out for themselves (nothing wrong with that), they just choose the best option presented.

Punishing bad behavior affects the decision.

But still the underlying "reasoning" is the same

If they can get away with it, they will do it.

Whatever "it" is.

Doesn't the same apply to men? The difference between how we punish men and women is that we punish men and not women, If men didn't get punished, do you believe they'd also act with undesirable amoral agendas?

Most of us would understandably say yes, men would also act pretty unfavorably.

I don't.

Why is that?

I don't know?

I mean I agree men think more logically but you're handed a free pass

I would probably steal shit if I was allowed to

Just makes sense

It's free shit

Well why don't you?

If no one sees?