not at all

We have no more or less value than rocks and trees

or other animal

It's an interesting existential debate. I forgot which one covered it at length.

Your biology compells one to pleasure seeking, even after you become a pessimist.

I think it was de Beavoir, might have been Camus.

Is actualization possible? Black pill says yes or no?

How can you be your best and truest self when there is no self?

You are a puppet.

So how can MGTOW actualize?

If there is no free will, how can you actualize?

That for me is the difference between red and black.

If the premise of "free will does not exist" is true, then there cannot be actualization.

Black says there is no higher self to be

Who's holding the strings if we are all just puppets?

I don't subscribe to those ideas so I couldn't say leaning towards no

biology pulls the strings?

biology, is usually the short answer, wix.

There it is.

Suicide before reproduction proves biology is not a true master.

And the coding of biology?

The nonrandom survival of randomly replicating units.

Most philosophers lean towards no free will exists, IME.

Most?

Nature natures, it has no purpose

Yeah I disagree

Like, most modern philosophers?

Which philosophers are we talking

Because the classical philosophers all believed in free will.

IDK, just what I've been exposed to. You can Google it. It will say Free Will is largely debunked.

Every major christian philosopher, so pretty much every philosopher until those hack french losers.

I can't think of one that doesn't tbh

Though I can't prove it.

I've seen some of the things you're talking about.

dont go into shitposting

Stuff like, "you weren't in control because all the circumstances made you do it"

That's bull.

Thanks Dad on Fridays

Otherwise reframing wouldn't work.

The whole "there is no free will" is the same as "you are only ever on autopilot"

And that's patently wrong.