guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one then because i dont really see reform model as necessarily utilitarian because i think its possible that you could argue it from virtue ethics also

any consequentialist position is working under the utilitarian model

agree

reform is a consequentialist position

it is modeled as an input->action->output

the criminal is not the way we want him to be

we must change him to be the way we want him to be

this is utilitarian

but you could also argue that reform is virtueous as it can be seen as society giving people a second chance

in a sense a societal forgiveness

that is contrary to justice

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why does this have mex in the beginning of it

idk

thats what the emote site named it

fixed to <:TohruShrug:495069030231703562>

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i should retheme the server

its time

spoopy nationalism

@everyone You must submit to an ear measuring or be demoted to @filthyhuman

I submit to an ear measuring

i do not submit

i bow to no man but Grung

grung was like 6 memes ago my dude

whats the hentai picture cropped form

grung hentai

around elves

watch yourselves

around elves

watch their butts cause they're really toned after 1000 years of walking around the forest

pfft

i submit to an ear measuring

I submit

How many of y'all play dnd tho

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i've played D&D since i was 14

noice