Not for political discourse at least

that is one of the other things i had heard about Vietnam, the leaders didn't have the drive to Win that war proper.
but I havn't done any real digging into it.

It came down to all the hippies telling people that we were bullying Vietnam. Ignoring the existence of the Vietcong and the fact that they were killing allot more Vietnamese than we were

so, nothing really new huh?

the people who don't have to go to war don't understand what war is really about.

Not unless they bother reading

We really need a better focus on history in education

I would agree if i trusted "we" to teach something so complex, or trust that the kids would be interested when "we" try to shove it on to them.

I just mean no more of this barely covering any information about past wars. Kids are just getting taught "these were the bad guys, they lost" no information on the political climate prior to war or why wars are fought in general

Y'know, basic stuff

yah that's a big problem, people going into all of this like we are the bad guys.

Because power=oppression

sure, we haven't always been fully in the right, but we were NOT the bad guys in anything.

By far the greatest and the most advances in epistemology, especially towards the scientific method, were made after the church lost its monopoly on it and it entered the hands of the citizen, allowing for the industrial revolution. Then it turned into academia.
However, since then academia has been corrupted by false authorities, and now we need another revolution against that new monopoly.
My point being that, until that step has been made, we won't have history be taught properly on a large scale. The monopoly on research needs to fall and be returned to the citizens.

I feel like I totally agree with that ETBrooD.

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seems like the more trust put into large institutions the worse they become, i'm not even sure if i know of an exception.

I agree, all science requires maximum scrutiny. There are only two reasons why we're not entering a dark age of information, 1) because the monopoly of academia is not (yet) entirely united, 2) the internet. But the more one side (in this case progressives) take over academia, the more monopolistic it gets. So for now we have to try to main freedom within the internet, but to really get things going we also need to reduce the public education sector.

I think the internet could suffice to get both things done. We'll see.

when I was learning I was homeschooled, for part of that mom used a system that put us kids in a sort of cubeical with a work book that we could do as much of as we wanted, with a minimum goal over a certain term.

I feel like it worked really well for me and schools would do well to make things like that more of an option.

not to mention that a blew through the science workbooks until they just became more math.

The issue is that they believe people's general knowledge can be trained over the course of many years so as to improve their lives significantly, and this is why they argue that all children should receive the same "basic" (lol, more like bloated) level of education, and that of course must be granted by tax money.

In reality, this steals years from children's lives and does little to nothing to prepare them for life. But that's irrelevant so long as they can fill their pockets with tax money.

yah, the basics that I think a person NEEDS is an understanding of simple writeing and reading, being able to talk and understand others, the basics of how math works.

that's all that a person NEEDS in our world and they would still be better off then in most of history.

More or less yep

form there when ever they ask "how does this work" you tell them how it really works.

I estimate that the total of "basic" education should take no more than 4 years.

At worst 6.

Instead it's 12 minimum, which is twice as much as the absolute maximum that I would propose.

totally agree, the only thing that really upsets me about my upbringing was that I had to wait till 16 until I was able to start makeing my own liveing.

16??

I was allowed to work at the age of 14.

For my own money

that's when i could get a car.

other then that i was just stuck at home, would have done well to have been getting out and working for people other then my dad sooner.

Yep, fully agree

Is that US law, or do you live somewhere else?

US law made it so i couldn't drive till then.

Oh you mean because you had to drive to get some proper work?