i would rather have yangs universal basic income than food stamps, it atleast increases freedom so that the people can choose what they want to spend their money on

ideally neither

but in reality, i dont see welfare or UBI going away without large systematic failure

no. that's dumb.
that simply further removes incentive to do better.

it's other ppl's money - u don't have any claim to "freedom" in that circumstance

if they're going to do UBI, then they (at the same time) need to drop a bunch of other programs. I don't want UBI mostly because if you give them an inch, they'll try to take a mile. UBI would be up for increases every election season

let me say again, ideally neither

sure

@SuperHeroDeluxe yes

but the more preferable (or less objectionable) is the one that incentivises ppl to go do better

the stats for it seem to be a real mixed bag

@wotmaniac again, i dont see the abolishment of either without large systematic failure

i personally think that the current list of shit u can buy with food stamps is already too broad

i would rather have those individuals be able to choose between my products and others than to have them on a short list of products the government approves

@Jokerfaic yea i dont think its anybetter than welfare besides the fact that they have more choice of what to do with the money

i think that the list of stuff u can buy with food stamps should be limited to the same list that is used by WIC. anything else is literally a luxury and should have to be earned by your own work.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/wic-food-packages-regulatory-requirements-wic-eligible-foods

^^but that's what makes it comfortable. less incentive earn your own shit

no meats whatsoever? concerning

sure, fish is protien, but chicken is iron

having the government mandate any behavior is bad

I mean, sure

i would just start a company, get my buddy to lobby the people, and make my products the only one the government money can be spent on

the government money which is really other peoples hard earned money

that list allows for dairy and eggs.

indeed it does

and fruits and veggies

hope potatoes count

in my state, Food Stamps can be used for https://www.schwans.com/ deliveries and they're not only very expensive, the drivers make money off their sales

it's not the gov't "mandating behavior" -- that's a silly way to frame it.
it's "u begging, so we don't want u to starve -- here's enough that u wont starve"
cuz beggars can't be choosers

we had to bitch to get them to stop letting Kentucky Fried Chicken take stamps

@SuperHeroDeluxe yeah, that's the shit i'm talking about.

again, ideally we wouldnt have any beggers getting any money, that is a world you and I probably both would like to see right? @wotmaniac

sure

but i'm not completely heartless - i don't want ppl to starve.

@wotmaniac this is under the assumption that there is going to be some form of redistribution one way or another

if beggers weren't directly begging and they offered a service, like playing their guitar for people, im fine with that

@SuperHeroDeluxe "work shall let you eat" i see where your going with this hehe

if u show up to the local public-benefits office, u begging.

@wotmaniac so under the assumption that there is going to be some form of redistribution, we mine as well not restrict the freedom of those individuals, unless you could careless about their freedom

in which case sure, go ahead and restrict them

but if you dont care about their freedom, why dont we just force them to work?