Message from @ARockRaider

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2019-12-03 04:48:41 UTC  

If the poor are taxed and all the spoils go to the rich, that's also socialist.

2019-12-03 04:48:54 UTC  

well yeah

2019-12-03 04:48:58 UTC  

that's what such systems always end up being

2019-12-03 04:49:08 UTC  

just look at any socialist nation <:transdank:462401354745249792>

2019-12-03 04:49:32 UTC  

I mean, if the poor are being taxed, the ones doing the taxation always *somehow* happen to be rich elite.

2019-12-03 04:49:59 UTC  

the rich elite are the ones doing the taxation everywhere in the first place aren't they?

2019-12-03 04:50:11 UTC  

Yes, the poor don't do taxation because they lack the means to do so

2019-12-03 04:50:28 UTC  

That's why capitalism actually *gasp* favors the poor

2019-12-03 04:50:54 UTC  

I have always thought that free markets (aka capitalism) is good for the poor.

2019-12-03 04:51:06 UTC  

They indeed are, in fact socialism hurts the poor the most

2019-12-03 04:51:52 UTC  

but people don't like it because "the rich have so much more!"
an arguement that I don't understand in the slightest.
(with out assumeing the worst in the person makeing the arguement)

2019-12-03 04:52:53 UTC  

Yeah it's a psychological effect that's been researched for a while, but with no definitive conclusion. There seems to be a trend that people at the bottom are more content with being poorer, but more equal, rather than richer, but less equal.

2019-12-03 04:53:31 UTC  

It's not an entirely proven concept though

2019-12-03 04:53:39 UTC  

well it's easy to get someone to agree to free stuff for them.

2019-12-03 04:54:38 UTC  

Yeah I mean to someone who doesn't know how wealth is created, or who needs to survive from day to day, "free stuff" surely sounds very good

2019-12-03 04:55:06 UTC  

One thing that desperately needs changing in the common perception is that wealth is a zero sum game

2019-12-03 04:55:37 UTC  

It's absolute not zero sum, and we can prove it by seeing how much wealthier capitalist-leaning nations have become over time.

2019-12-03 04:55:39 UTC  

that would be nice, but I don't think that would change most peoples thoughts on takeing more form a class they will never be in.

2019-12-03 04:55:46 UTC  

In fact all nations all over the world have become wealthier over time.

2019-12-03 04:56:01 UTC  

And that includes the people ate the bonttom

2019-12-03 04:56:37 UTC  

funny enough, it is basic math that says wealth grows.
we mine more form the ground every day, we find more use for the 'waste' every day.

2019-12-03 04:57:06 UTC  

Yep, efficiency has gone up a lot

2019-12-03 04:57:27 UTC  

speaking of, people need to chill with worrying about land fills.

2019-12-03 04:58:25 UTC  

right now i work hauling stuff into a land fill, they get something like 100 loads a day, most being full sized trucks.
you can't see the landfill unless you are above the tree line and even then, it would just look like a hill.

2019-12-03 04:59:03 UTC  

there is also next to no litter on the road leading up to it, it is all cought by the fence around the hill.

2019-12-03 04:59:29 UTC  

Unfortunately I've only ever learned one perspective about landfills, so idk how relevant they are atm

2019-12-03 04:59:47 UTC  

Is it comparable to the misconceptions about nuclear energy?

2019-12-03 05:00:22 UTC  

I would assume so, form what i always heard before I was working at one landfills were dirty wastefull things.

2019-12-03 05:01:06 UTC  

modern landfills are just big trash bags, nothing nasty gets out of them and they even give off gasses that can be burned for enegry if one wanted to do that.

2019-12-03 05:02:18 UTC  

I would love to see them try.

2019-12-03 05:03:01 UTC  

it's 7 and a half min long, but totes worth if you are at all worried about countries just flinging nukes at each other.

2019-12-03 05:04:43 UTC  

i'm not Trump, but my answer to North Korea makeing such a threat would be park a target in the middle of the pacific and ask them to hit it within a weak.

2019-12-03 05:05:24 UTC  

Lol

2019-12-03 05:05:53 UTC  

North Korea is that little brother who messed up a holiday once and hasn't received motherly love since, and now his older siblings are trying to clean up after her mess

2019-12-03 05:06:01 UTC  

I mean it has been stalemated since feb the negotiations

2019-12-03 05:06:33 UTC  

"you think you scare me? I would love a reason to flatten everything you are and to split what is left between South Korea and China."

2019-12-03 05:06:38 UTC  

I think they don't want Pompeo to be involved too for some reason

2019-12-03 05:08:14 UTC  

I think my first attack would be hitting all strategic targets on the same hour, if what was left didn't just give up after that I would let the others take care of it on the ground.

2019-12-03 05:10:49 UTC  

oh, it's about the size of Maine... wow...