I think its becoming obvious that politics in DC were moving away from the voters. The DNC thought it could heat the water up to full tier leftism and no one would notice.

Well they fucking did.

fun fact, in a TV interview between her and the congressman she ran against, she literally uttered the words "...the work we(the DNC) have put in to ensure Hillary Clinton would be the nominee..."

Imagine if we could strengthen the state governments and bring politics closer to the people 🤔

The DNC doesn't have a charismatic or popular candidate. The Democratic party being fractured between extremists, progressives, and moderates compounds the problem.

Oh no question DC is in a bubble of its own

has been and still is

Eh, @Jokerfaic?

Revolution seems like the only way forward to get these hacks out of our government.

Nah, I doubt anything that extreme will be needed

or otherwise some sort of unconventional direct action

the current conventions themselves are part of the problem

Well we've talked about border reform for what 60 years?

And it's finally kind of happening

It'll be hilarious if the border wall actually works

And I think it will

The executive order preventing Asylum seekers from countries not immediately bordering the US made more impact than a physical wall

I don't, but I won't try to hinder it

@Jokerfaic I consider it one of those things that it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have

I consider it a medieval solution to what is a far more complicated problem

for example, a majority, slim but still a majority, of illegals came over and simply overstayed their visas

what's a wall to do about that?

Build a wall around them when they fly in.

@Jokerfaic do you have a door to get into your house?

Does that door have a lock?

way to completely ignore my question bud, just proves my point

Uh, no

It addresses and refutes your point, actually

Mmmmmnope

Mmmmmmyep

Immigrants overstaying their visas creates a class of second-rate citizens, not privy to the freedoms, social programs, and protections America stands for.

how does a wall combat people who overstay their legally acquired visas?

a moronic door analogy doesn't answer that question

On a large scale, it's a group that can be easily manipulated, exploited, and extorted. It mutually harms the immigrants and Americans alike.

It doesn't address THAT PARTICULAR problem, but it does address a problem that actually does exist

After all, you do also invite certain people into your home

because the one I cited doesn't? okie dokie

well that's a relief

Different problems require different solutions

And people are treating the wall like its some amazing panacaea to the immigration issue.

You see, since your house DOES have a door and that door DOES have a lock, your number of problems is decreased