Nah, I doubt anything that extreme will be needed

or otherwise some sort of unconventional direct action

the current conventions themselves are part of the problem

Well we've talked about border reform for what 60 years?

And it's finally kind of happening

It'll be hilarious if the border wall actually works

And I think it will

The executive order preventing Asylum seekers from countries not immediately bordering the US made more impact than a physical wall

I don't, but I won't try to hinder it

@Jokerfaic I consider it one of those things that it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have

I consider it a medieval solution to what is a far more complicated problem

for example, a majority, slim but still a majority, of illegals came over and simply overstayed their visas

what's a wall to do about that?

Build a wall around them when they fly in.

@Jokerfaic do you have a door to get into your house?

Does that door have a lock?

way to completely ignore my question bud, just proves my point

Uh, no

It addresses and refutes your point, actually

Mmmmmnope

Mmmmmmyep

Immigrants overstaying their visas creates a class of second-rate citizens, not privy to the freedoms, social programs, and protections America stands for.

how does a wall combat people who overstay their legally acquired visas?

a moronic door analogy doesn't answer that question

On a large scale, it's a group that can be easily manipulated, exploited, and extorted. It mutually harms the immigrants and Americans alike.

It doesn't address THAT PARTICULAR problem, but it does address a problem that actually does exist

After all, you do also invite certain people into your home

because the one I cited doesn't? okie dokie

well that's a relief

Different problems require different solutions

And people are treating the wall like its some amazing panacaea to the immigration issue.

You see, since your house DOES have a door and that door DOES have a lock, your number of problems is decreased

not either of you, but that's the impression I'm left with talking to others about it

America copes with 100,000 immigrants arriving at the southern border each *month* - the number of immigrants overstaying their visas is scarcely comparable.

100,000 legal or illegal?

100,000 immigrants. Not legal, as they're not citizens - not illegal, as they haven't crossed the border

that's still a legal entry, fucks sake, don't play games

I'm not. Without a physical wall, or consequences for crossing the border, the immigration system would be overwhelmed - and you end up with an underclass of immigrants.

Which already exists

I'll agree - a magnanimous wall doesn't fix the issue of illegal immigration.

I don't recall arguing against consequences for illegal entry