That has nothing to do with our debate

it rather does

No-one is responsible for large scale changes that screw people over, and many people simply dont have the resources to actually do anything about it

You're bringing up a fringe scenario to win an argument about the average situation

I already said, getting struck by lightning doesn't count

a massive economic crash is not an average fucking situation

If your philosophy is true than it should apply in all situations

Most people who live in poverty don't do so because of an economic crash

no, which is why I stipulated unnacountably

you're just denying such a thing exists, in a fucking victorian era mindset

But you brought up the 2008 crash, so you gave an example of a case that is not mainly responsible for poverty

losing one's home and money tends to be followed very closely by poverty

Doesn't change the fact that it's a bad example, a better example is people being generally irresponsible with money

how the fuck is that a better example of unaccountable impoverishment? that's literally the other group I stipulated that I wasn't referring to

are you high?

You talked about people being unaccountable, and I would agree that some people are not mainly accountable, but as an example you gave the housing crash, which only drove a minority into poverty

Those who worked to get out of poverty did get out

For the most part

Arguing for a lack of accountability is fine, but if you laserfocus on a minority of people who were extremely unlucky despite working hard, then you're going to have to look extremely hard

People have partial responsibility for 2008, but it's like blaming someone for speeding when the brakes don't work and the accelerator is jammed.

Now, if we're talking about a socialist country, that whole debate would take a different direction

not nearly as hard as you're portraying.

I beg to differ

I had a choice in life to stay poor or get rich, and I decided to get rich, and that's where I'm heading. I had absolutely *zero* qualifications.

"boo hoo I couldn't work in muh field"

Yeah we don't get what we want all the time, get over it

I knew people who dropped out of school to sell houses. Now they are behind because the industry collapsed and had to go back to school.

They don't have to go back to school, that's their choice

There are so many ways to get money, none of them involve criminal activities

Well they do if they want to be a teacher.

Yeah then don't go be a teacher

>I just decided to get rich
wow, what a unique idea.

are you seriously fucking coming to me with this shit

If you want to make money, study the market a little before entering it, don't be stupid

I think your playing fast and loose with the notion that people can just be w/e when very few people have the natural ability to think.

Yeah I am playing fast and loose with it, because it was literally a matter of choice, not luck. I started with exactly zero attached to my name.

and its not that he 'couldn't work in his fucking field' its that his field was being supplemented by imported foreign labor, dickhead

make a cult

about multilevel marketting cults

I don't care if people can't work in their preferred field, they can enter a new one

turn every manager into a cult leader and you at the top of the ponzi scheme