Message from @TheGhostAgent
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I'm just looking up definitions man
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The term is used interchangeably with lots of other terms
And then the left in practice vs. how it defintes itself is also different, like with feminists listing the defintion of feminism as if it automatically makes them good, or antifascists calling themselves that despite being more fascist than their enemies
in the end what matters is over 70% of democrats self identify as socialists
or being in favor of it
And that shows you the depths of the problem
The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left.
liberalism is left leaning
simply from where it came from. the origins of left and right
": a person who is liberal: such as
a: one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways
bcapitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6)
c: an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights"
they are multiple definitions for the same term
yes
and liberalism is left
it could be someone who advocates for individual rights, or it could be that it's someone who is just a part of a "liberal" party
you can use the term to mean many things
calling the democrats, democrats, doesn't mean they actually are democratic, right
it's just a name
Sheesh
I guess that is my main point here
there is only so much value in a word, in a name
while the modern day left is further left then liberals that does not mean that liberalism isnt left-leaning
Redefining liberal and left to specific meanings is great and all but how it's generally used is just a more generic X side, vs. Y side
especially if we go from where the terms originated rather then trusting wikipedia
"The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left.
liberalism is left leaning"
^
this
the original term is irrelevant as it's modern usage is important in context
We don't use words the same way anymore, they take on new meanings and change over time
no people are obfuscating its original meaning for political gain
thats what you arent getting
How it is used is more important than how you want to define it
it's literally irrelevant
this is why liberals like sargon are called fascists. because the left is attempting to move the Overton window so that liberals are the new right
Sure, that is what they are doing
thus cutting conservatives out of the dialogue
The terms get redefined in practice
the original meaning and definition
the core tenants of liberalism do not change
the original meaning only applies to the French and thus anything outside of the French wouldn't be left or right