Message from @TheGhostAgent

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2019-12-04 23:50:11 UTC  

I'm just looking up definitions man

2019-12-04 23:50:13 UTC  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2019-12-04 23:50:18 UTC  

The term is used interchangeably with lots of other terms

2019-12-04 23:50:50 UTC  

And then the left in practice vs. how it defintes itself is also different, like with feminists listing the defintion of feminism as if it automatically makes them good, or antifascists calling themselves that despite being more fascist than their enemies

2019-12-04 23:51:09 UTC  

in the end what matters is over 70% of democrats self identify as socialists

2019-12-04 23:51:13 UTC  

or being in favor of it

2019-12-04 23:51:21 UTC  

And that shows you the depths of the problem

2019-12-04 23:51:48 UTC  

The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left.

2019-12-04 23:51:58 UTC  

liberalism is left leaning

2019-12-04 23:52:07 UTC  

simply from where it came from. the origins of left and right

2019-12-04 23:52:17 UTC  

": a person who is liberal: such as
a: one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways
bcapitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6)
c: an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights"

2019-12-04 23:52:25 UTC  

they are multiple definitions for the same term

2019-12-04 23:52:26 UTC  

yes

2019-12-04 23:52:30 UTC  

and liberalism is left

2019-12-04 23:52:41 UTC  

it could be someone who advocates for individual rights, or it could be that it's someone who is just a part of a "liberal" party

2019-12-04 23:52:49 UTC  

you can use the term to mean many things

2019-12-04 23:53:00 UTC  

calling the democrats, democrats, doesn't mean they actually are democratic, right

2019-12-04 23:53:04 UTC  

it's just a name

2019-12-04 23:53:05 UTC  

Sheesh

2019-12-04 23:53:10 UTC  

I guess that is my main point here

2019-12-04 23:53:16 UTC  

There is nothing liberal about the modern day left. They're full on authoritarians

2019-12-04 23:53:20 UTC  

there is only so much value in a word, in a name

2019-12-04 23:53:41 UTC  

while the modern day left is further left then liberals that does not mean that liberalism isnt left-leaning

2019-12-04 23:53:47 UTC  

Redefining liberal and left to specific meanings is great and all but how it's generally used is just a more generic X side, vs. Y side

2019-12-04 23:53:55 UTC  

especially if we go from where the terms originated rather then trusting wikipedia

2019-12-04 23:54:05 UTC  

"The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left.
liberalism is left leaning"

2019-12-04 23:54:06 UTC  

^

2019-12-04 23:54:07 UTC  

this

2019-12-04 23:54:19 UTC  

the original term is irrelevant as it's modern usage is important in context

2019-12-04 23:54:22 UTC  

We don't use words the same way anymore, they take on new meanings and change over time

2019-12-04 23:54:36 UTC  

no people are obfuscating its original meaning for political gain

2019-12-04 23:54:39 UTC  

thats what you arent getting

2019-12-04 23:55:07 UTC  

How it is used is more important than how you want to define it

2019-12-04 23:55:10 UTC  

it's literally irrelevant

2019-12-04 23:55:16 UTC  

this is why liberals like sargon are called fascists. because the left is attempting to move the Overton window so that liberals are the new right

2019-12-04 23:55:29 UTC  

Sure, that is what they are doing

2019-12-04 23:55:33 UTC  

thus cutting conservatives out of the dialogue

2019-12-04 23:55:35 UTC  

The terms get redefined in practice

2019-12-04 23:55:43 UTC  

the original meaning and definition

2019-12-04 23:56:00 UTC  

the core tenants of liberalism do not change

2019-12-04 23:56:01 UTC  

the original meaning only applies to the French and thus anything outside of the French wouldn't be left or right