Message from @calman21

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2019-12-06 07:07:40 UTC  

Unless you think you have a better citation than the bureau of labor statistics

2019-12-06 07:08:19 UTC  

Im too tired to read the statistical tables, I will give u the argument, we should have UBI and I will succ andrew yang

2019-12-06 07:09:31 UTC  

@TeeTotaler AI could be used to like, upgrade humanity

2019-12-06 07:09:47 UTC  

Do come back when you actually have a well supported argument

2019-12-06 07:10:41 UTC  

It is all quite ludicrous. Computers are digital. The real world is analog. Yang is prophesizing economic catastrophe while we have the lowest unemployment in decades. TBQH I agree with claman in this. The successful technologies have been extensions of humans.

2019-12-06 07:11:35 UTC  

@Tiberius I'll sleep on it, and come back to it later, I still feel like I have a point about automation, but I don't have like, the citations

2019-12-06 07:11:44 UTC  

what would justify this "upgrade"? surely if it is an upgrade what are we upgrading? For this question to be answered we need a definitive stance on what the human species goal in the universe is

2019-12-06 07:11:46 UTC  

The real world is converting to digital

2019-12-06 07:12:20 UTC  

Thats inevitable, and closer than many would think

2019-12-06 07:12:46 UTC  

Ths only thing I even agree with Yang on is that we should in fact be prepared

2019-12-06 07:14:03 UTC  

We also have a continually falling labor force participation rate

2019-12-06 07:14:18 UTC  

Despite there being 7 million unfilled jobs

2019-12-06 07:14:21 UTC  

@TeeTotaler So like, there are two ways of looking at AI, and like, its either the Matrix style AI that basically doesn't need humans around or a AI that is more sophisticated and works amongst humans

2019-12-06 07:14:21 UTC  

because why work when the incentive is so low?

2019-12-06 07:16:08 UTC  

The real world cannot convert to digital because it is made of physical matter. I can run a digital simulation in a video game or autocad. In either the universe represented is precise down to the last pixel. The real world, outside of all that is not, cannot be because it is fractally complex and analog.

2019-12-06 07:16:39 UTC  

Obviously the world is physical

2019-12-06 07:16:41 UTC  

There is the possibility that in the attempt to construct an AI with a sense of self-preservation would result in the robot killing everyone because it takes humans as a threat

2019-12-06 07:17:38 UTC  

Digital meaning thst we are transitioning to a primarily digital economy where AI has taken over low skill menial jobs

2019-12-06 07:18:06 UTC  

but this could be avoided, and the thing about 'the singularity', and this is my personal opinion, a true thinking feeling AI is insanely more difficult to actually propagate than people predict. @TeeTotaler

2019-12-06 07:19:01 UTC  

To imply that outcome is impossible is just being willfully blind to the advance of science and technology

2019-12-06 07:19:21 UTC  

We can make the low skill assembly line workers work on my asteroid mining station, problem solved

2019-12-06 07:19:46 UTC  

Ai would still be more profitable

2019-12-06 07:19:46 UTC  

Without sarcasm, low earth orbit economies are trying to be stimulated by NASA

2019-12-06 07:20:05 UTC  

AI doesnt need life support

2019-12-06 07:20:18 UTC  

AI is also not a physical object, it exists inside a computer

2019-12-06 07:20:28 UTC  

And can work round the clock with better precision than any humsn would

2019-12-06 07:20:42 UTC  

That operates machinery which is physical

2019-12-06 07:21:13 UTC  

AI operates physical machinery to interact with the world

2019-12-06 07:21:26 UTC  

automation and AI aren't the same thing

2019-12-06 07:21:51 UTC  

Automation isnt the same as an artificial intelligence

2019-12-06 07:22:05 UTC  

Imagine saying that with a atraight face

2019-12-06 07:22:16 UTC  

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE

2019-12-06 07:22:19 UTC  

AI

2019-12-06 07:22:34 UTC  

Automated intelligence is somethin you made up just now

2019-12-06 07:22:34 UTC  

All robots are AI with varying degrees of intelligence and processing power

2019-12-06 07:22:59 UTC  

automation in a factory has a program that it runs on repeat

2019-12-06 07:23:02 UTC  

to do a single task

2019-12-06 07:23:28 UTC  

And an AI is a collection of programs performing various tasks

2019-12-06 07:23:46 UTC  

that is not what I or anyone meant when they referred to AI