Message from @calman21

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2019-12-06 07:49:20 UTC  

that is not the point, a learning system can device wining outcomes based on the limited number of factors in chess, but the problem is, that requires a constrained simulated model, real life has so many different moving pieces and factors, that anyone modeling a simulated environment to make decisions within DOESN"T EVEN KNOW all the factors that would constitute a realistic IRL model from which the robot could make equivalent rationale decisions compared to that of humans

2019-12-06 07:51:05 UTC  

There are well over 121 million possible moves after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:29 UTC  

Just after the first three

2019-12-06 07:51:30 UTC  

121 million possible outcomes

2019-12-06 07:51:32 UTC  

not moves

2019-12-06 07:51:33 UTC  

case and point, nuclear reactors in nuclear powerplants need human operators because, while much of the systems are automated, humans are needed to dictate correct courses of actions in case of emergency

2019-12-06 07:52:11 UTC  

Nuclear reactor operators arent low skill

2019-12-06 07:52:14 UTC  

your chest board would be bigger than the size of north america if you had 121million moves you could make

2019-12-06 07:53:58 UTC  

you are right, but my point is that human delegation is what is valuable,

2019-12-06 07:54:13 UTC  

and something that is not able to be automated away

2019-12-06 07:54:23 UTC  

And there are fewer reactor personnel now than in the 80s because of automation

2019-12-06 07:54:41 UTC  

In nuclear reactors perhaps

2019-12-06 07:55:01 UTC  

I dont consider that to be equivilant to a fry cook

2019-12-06 07:55:21 UTC  

I don't think we should throw the entire human species in the garbage can just because AI has a fancy hyper-threaded 6 core CPU

2019-12-06 07:55:47 UTC  

You can reduce restraunt staff significantly with AI

2019-12-06 07:56:02 UTC  

AI isn't needed for a job like that, automation would suffice

2019-12-06 07:56:11 UTC  

we don't need Skynet to run a burger stand

2019-12-06 07:56:15 UTC  

The nerd overseeing the automation is not low skill

2019-12-06 07:56:29 UTC  

he could be replaced with AI though

2019-12-06 07:56:38 UTC  

Eventually

2019-12-06 07:56:43 UTC  

okay, Gudarian, but your point is, we can just give all the low skill workers UBI after all their jobs are replaced by robots

2019-12-06 07:57:10 UTC  

With a similar dividend to Alaskan oil

2019-12-06 07:57:17 UTC  

I say we make all the low skill workers become Youtubers.....wait a minute...

2019-12-06 07:57:28 UTC  

The money isnt coming from nowhere

2019-12-06 07:57:42 UTC  

It just recirculates

2019-12-06 07:58:04 UTC  

thats fair,

2019-12-06 07:58:25 UTC  

That is significantly less authoritarian than saying fuck you you cant use AI because sentimentalism

2019-12-06 07:59:42 UTC  

I am saying that we could choose against automation if it led to outcomes which we found bad for society

2019-12-06 08:00:02 UTC  

Thats still subjective

2019-12-06 08:00:53 UTC  

like, if the bottom of society all could stop working and it made them unhappy to feel unneeded, then you could keep the low skill jobs open

2019-12-06 08:01:23 UTC  

but in this particular scenario, they could still go off to do more fulfilling things and have some money

2019-12-06 08:02:41 UTC  

the feeling of contributing to society by being productive and happiness being tied together are not subjective, and that is what I would measure 'unhappiness' on

2019-12-06 08:03:24 UTC  

Low skill jobs aren't fulfilling to the overwhelming number of people

2019-12-06 08:03:27 UTC  

well yes, but that'd be a choice of an employee versus a choice of a boardroom member

2019-12-06 08:03:52 UTC  

yes

2019-12-06 08:04:17 UTC  

but there's only a superficial difference between the two

2019-12-06 08:04:21 UTC  

employee can choose he wants to work a position all he likes, if the higher ups decide to go with automation, the employee is fucked

2019-12-06 08:04:31 UTC  

The employee doesnt get to determine company policy

2019-12-06 08:04:45 UTC  

Unless its an employee owned company

2019-12-06 08:05:20 UTC  

I'm certain millions of americans would have rather not lost their jobs to automation or imported foreign labour, given the choice

2019-12-06 08:05:28 UTC  

hence, they weren't consulted