Message from @calman21
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that is not the point, a learning system can device wining outcomes based on the limited number of factors in chess, but the problem is, that requires a constrained simulated model, real life has so many different moving pieces and factors, that anyone modeling a simulated environment to make decisions within DOESN"T EVEN KNOW all the factors that would constitute a realistic IRL model from which the robot could make equivalent rationale decisions compared to that of humans
There are well over 121 million possible moves after the first three
Just after the first three
121 million possible outcomes
not moves
case and point, nuclear reactors in nuclear powerplants need human operators because, while much of the systems are automated, humans are needed to dictate correct courses of actions in case of emergency
Nuclear reactor operators arent low skill
your chest board would be bigger than the size of north america if you had 121million moves you could make
you are right, but my point is that human delegation is what is valuable,
and something that is not able to be automated away
And there are fewer reactor personnel now than in the 80s because of automation
In nuclear reactors perhaps
I dont consider that to be equivilant to a fry cook
I don't think we should throw the entire human species in the garbage can just because AI has a fancy hyper-threaded 6 core CPU
You can reduce restraunt staff significantly with AI
AI isn't needed for a job like that, automation would suffice
we don't need Skynet to run a burger stand
The nerd overseeing the automation is not low skill
he could be replaced with AI though
Eventually
okay, Gudarian, but your point is, we can just give all the low skill workers UBI after all their jobs are replaced by robots
With a similar dividend to Alaskan oil
I say we make all the low skill workers become Youtubers.....wait a minute...
The money isnt coming from nowhere
It just recirculates
thats fair,
That is significantly less authoritarian than saying fuck you you cant use AI because sentimentalism
I am saying that we could choose against automation if it led to outcomes which we found bad for society
Thats still subjective
like, if the bottom of society all could stop working and it made them unhappy to feel unneeded, then you could keep the low skill jobs open
but in this particular scenario, they could still go off to do more fulfilling things and have some money
the feeling of contributing to society by being productive and happiness being tied together are not subjective, and that is what I would measure 'unhappiness' on
Low skill jobs aren't fulfilling to the overwhelming number of people
well yes, but that'd be a choice of an employee versus a choice of a boardroom member
yes
but there's only a superficial difference between the two
employee can choose he wants to work a position all he likes, if the higher ups decide to go with automation, the employee is fucked
The employee doesnt get to determine company policy
Unless its an employee owned company
I'm certain millions of americans would have rather not lost their jobs to automation or imported foreign labour, given the choice
hence, they weren't consulted