Message from @Mersenne
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He could have had a backbone instead of supporting Hillary
@Mersenne It's Still Illegal. Turning Illegal Immigration from a Felony to a Civil offense still puts the Illegals in Jail; it just stops the family separation
can the civil offense still result in deportation?
Turning it into a civil offense prevents criminal prosecution.
That criminal violation is what allows for deportation in cities that refuse to cooperate with Federal ICE
then I guess that's a no
That's a hard no
be fair, ICE needs reformation
incompetant fucking yahoos
Absolutely true. And they need authority to deport.
Sanctuary cities isn't just a buzz word - it's a real crisis where local law enforcement placates communities of illegals to maintain order and discipline.
ICE should be abolished, lol
Customs and Border protection is all we need
ICE is Unconstitutional; many courts have ruled that they have repeatedly broken the 4th (Surveillance), 5th (Due Process), 13th (Slavery), and 14th (Due Process Equality) Amendments of the United States Constitution
Hell, they were only created in 2003 by the Bush Administration too
So what's your proposal for an alternative enforcement for those that evade Customs and Border protection?
They have absolutely no reason to exist and are already a mess of unconstitutional actions
Just let Customs and Border Protection take all the stuff, like they used to
They don't have Federal juristiction
ICE is so unnecessary that the majority of it is made up of Private Militias and Mercenaries, anyways
Fair point. In fact, I'll agree that ICE has committed egregious violations already cited and is comprised of alot of unstable and ill-intentioned individuals
However, ICE is the only agency with the authority to perform deportations. States have already demonstrated indifference, ineptitude, and incompetence in enforcing deportation.
Customs and Borders will do little to remove those who enter illegally.
Let alone those who overstay Visas
The majority of people detained are done so without a fair trial and are forcefully detained (which is a situation just waiting to be abused, lol)
You're right. And this is the problem. There's Republicans who care only for deportation, and Democrats who propose removing due process entirely.
We need actual reform to expeditiously allow those seeking to become citizens entry into our nation
Yeah, I agree
Though I think we should go further with Immigration reform
And I think the first thing to do is to Decriminalise All Drugs and Legalise Marijuana
That will absolutely fuck up the Cartels
And Big Pharma
Not all drugs. Some will reap havoc on major cities, like heroin as witnessed by Iran-Contra.
Marijuana - absolutely. It's a boon to state income tax and boosts countless medical benefits
While I'm disappointed by the Republicans inability to positively reform immigration, I can't back any of the Democratic candidates that seek to destroy the entire concept of citizenship.
I didn't say legalise; I said decriminalise, lol. There are some drugs that would reap havoc if legalised (like Fentanyl) which is why decriminalising would just turn it from a Criminal issue to a Health Issue
Fair point.
I could absolutely agree with decriminalizing users. Dealers with x amount of Class I should be criminal offenses.
People are gonna do drugs, regardless, so it's better to mediate the issue by giving them safe monitored areas where they can inject themselves; thus bringing overdoses to near 0 and will absolutely cripple the Cartels who currently profit off of them
Not necessarily - Cartels would still immensely profit from the sale of those drugs.