Is there corroborating evidence about this Quid Pro Quo from 3rd parties, or is this some Kavanagh type shit? @PurpleToad

Simple fact is Obamas economy sucked and the recession was not solely to blame.

No. There is no direct evidence. Proving motivation is nearly impossible.

i don't think 80-82 was worse https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653120961176010788/653121007451897858/usademandfromcredit1.png?width=365&height=300

All evidence beyond the transcript has been second, third, or fourth hand accounts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/08/impeachment-testimony-5-takeaways-fiona-hill-transcript/2530101001/
`n early November, Fiona Hill testified that Sondland, as a newcomer unaccustomed to diplomatic protocols, exhibited behavior that was "comical" but "deeply concerning," and his lack of adherence to security protocols made him a "counterintelligence risk." Hill testified that in July, Sondland attended a meeting with Ukrainian officials and told them that an Oval Office meeting with Trump would occur if investigations began.`
Some weird-ass shit on his end, NGL

Fiona Hills testimony offered no direct evidence, period.

Pure conjecture and opinion.

reagan admin also had a similar pattern of deficit spending when you account for the drop in demand from credit that comes from private sector deleveraging https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653120961176010788/653121007451897858/usademandfromcredit1.png?width=365&height=300

whoops wrong picture

`Appearing in a closed-door inquiry on November 15, in a written opening statement Holmes said he heard Trump ask, "So, he's gonna do the investigation?" and Sondland replied, "he's gonna do it" adding Zelensky will do "anything you ask him to." Holmes also testified that Sondland later told him that Trump "did not give a shit about Ukraine" and "only cared about the big stuff ... the big stuff that benefits the president like the Biden investigation that Mr. Giuliani was pushing."`
So the most evidence that Trump is doing skeevy shit with Giuliani for the Biden Investigation is.....anecdotal?

This is super surreal trying to keep track of current conversation while you all are chattering about something else

Well damn

color me unimpressed

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653120961176010788/653121362193285120/deficits.png?width=400&height=275

Whats the citation on those two graphs?

the deficit one is from here https://www.cato.org/blog/what-do-reagan-obama-trump-have-common

demand from credit here https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2016/11/09/to-make-america-great-again-write-off-the-private-debt/#4c66f4f873f8

Alright, so the most recent was in fact the worst between the two, however it wasnt the great depression its recovery is still the slowest since that time, and this tends to be the thing with democratic administrations their policies arent good for growth

FDR dragged out the depression hears longer than it needed to go on WW2 is what really got us out of it

Obama did the same largely speaking just not to the same extent

i think the fdr thing is complicated

there are a lot of different interpretation of how exactly his policies impacted the depression

i mean i think that overall his policies were probably helping until 1936 when the fdr admin introduced austerity measures which caused the recession to double dip

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/nancy-pelosi-impeach-gordon-sondland.html
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Sadly I cannot actually link that Cato PDF

https://www.propublica.org/article/multiple-women-recall-sexual-misconduct-and-retaliation-by-gordon-sondland
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But all credible economists I can think of and anu honest analyst will yell you that FDR prolonged the Depression

i'm not sure what credible means here

Social security is one of our single greatest failures from that era

if you're talking about the thing i think you're talking about

No. I will not stoop to the Democrats level and support removing anyone for unsubstantiated accusations.

i mean, this is starting to go above my pay grade so to speak

but they were working off of the assumption of general equilibrium in a depression which is a situation that is characterized by strong disequilibrium in the market

@Mersenne I'm not assuming he did it, because the rumors are simply rumors, but big if true

granted i do think certain policies of fdr probably hurt

i mean... if were going there

i would just be inclined to think that at least before 1936 they were a net positive overall

trump has what 25 accusers?

lmao

Meh, if they’re willing to investigate Trump for x3 years, but fail to even call Biden as a witness, the bias speaks for itself.