Message from @ARockRaider

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2019-12-08 18:16:20 UTC  

Sure - but the current paper model is *much more* easy to exploit than a distributed E-vote

2019-12-08 18:16:29 UTC  

how so?

2019-12-08 18:16:40 UTC  

you can't hack paper once it is in the ballot box.

2019-12-08 18:16:52 UTC  

Ballot harvesting, absentee ballot, votes from the deceased, miscounts ( Flordia 2001 nightmare )

2019-12-08 18:16:58 UTC  

and the people doing the counting are being watched be people form bolth sides.

2019-12-08 18:17:06 UTC  

And states having a wide disparity in voter registration requirements.

2019-12-08 18:17:26 UTC  

Shit, you could go register at your local office and exploit absentee ballots with zero technical skill.

2019-12-08 18:17:41 UTC  

That just happened in NC's 9th Congressional District

2019-12-08 18:17:44 UTC  

ok, and one person could do how meany of those?

2019-12-08 18:18:14 UTC  

all that is argueing for is removeal of the absentee ballot and improveing ID checking.

2019-12-08 18:18:28 UTC  

not replacement for a untested system.

2019-12-08 18:18:46 UTC  

Improved ID checking at the ballot requires validation. States have a shit record for this, and have remarkably different means of checking.

2019-12-08 18:19:10 UTC  

Some have no ID requirements at all.

2019-12-08 18:19:23 UTC  

all you have to do is keep track of the people while they are voteing, filter before they even get a ballot.

2019-12-08 18:19:39 UTC  

if you are REALLY worried make the ballots on a special paper like we do with money.

2019-12-08 18:19:53 UTC  

I'm not proposing a completely new system - I'm talking about taking the system *which already exists* and standardizing make/model of voter ballot boxes and databases.

2019-12-08 18:20:08 UTC  

I'm simply advocating for Voter ID enactment and a system of validation for districts

2019-12-08 18:20:39 UTC  

E-voteing is a bad idea, people are getting into just as important systems all over the place, that's why you NEVER use the same password on two sites.

2019-12-08 18:21:08 UTC  

Here's the problem - the same thing happens with paper ballots - you just have no means of knowing when it occurs.

2019-12-08 18:21:37 UTC  

and I don't trust the govenrmet to do any of that closed system crap, they are just going to buy off the shelf gear and plug it in 9 times out of 10.

2019-12-08 18:22:10 UTC  

but paper ballots can only be changed by being there, a computer can be changed form almost anywhere.

2019-12-08 18:22:39 UTC  

Unfortunately you're right. It's almost impossible to create a perfect system.

2019-12-08 18:22:52 UTC  

so stick with the one that doesn't scale.

2019-12-08 18:23:04 UTC  

I wouldn't even mind paper ballots if all states could agree on voter registration and ID requirements.

2019-12-08 18:23:40 UTC  

that's one of the reasons we have the electoral college.

2019-12-08 18:23:49 UTC  

At the very least, create a state database of registered voters and eliminate votes from the deceased.

2019-12-08 18:23:59 UTC  

if FL is screwing stuff up it's only FLs votes that are getting messed up, not everyone's.

2019-12-08 18:24:17 UTC  

again, that is a state level thing, not a federal thing.

2019-12-08 18:25:53 UTC  

True. Seriously though, check out the latest Defcon on voting boxes. It's eye opening what happens when you let states manage their electronic voting boxes. The hardware/software/configuration should be mandated at the Federal level.

2019-12-08 18:27:19 UTC  

electronic voteing should not be a thing in the first place

2019-12-08 18:27:35 UTC  

yea i was going to say the same thing

2019-12-08 18:27:37 UTC  

should be all paper

2019-12-08 18:27:52 UTC  

I understand how it seems like a good idea on first glance

2019-12-08 18:28:06 UTC  

it just adds more points of failure

2019-12-08 18:28:19 UTC  

and more holes that can be discovered and then exploited

2019-12-08 18:28:22 UTC  

well it makes more single points of failure.

2019-12-08 18:28:34 UTC  

and that's the important part.

2019-12-08 18:29:18 UTC  

ballots should be collected in paper only, and nationally there should be a Voter ID that is required upon showing up to the ballot. Then all the paper votes should be counted multiple times by different parties to ensure accuracy

2019-12-08 18:29:38 UTC  

yes

2019-12-08 18:29:42 UTC  

all of that.

2019-12-08 18:29:47 UTC  

and then...