Not just limiting the kind of voters

anarcho capitalism allows for monarchisim because it is a form of private ownership

all ancaps understand this

read some hoppe

Brue you are makeing things up now.

Limiting the kind of people who can hold office

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If all we're allowed to do and choose in our lives are optimum choices, from being healthy and never drinking, smoking, and only eating broccoli n kale. Is that freedom and a life worth living?

I can see where you logic chain is going, but it is not attached to anything. (brue)

I never argued for that

@TheGhostAgent freedom is only given to you by the state, freedom does not exist in nature

it does, it is just much more volatile.

I argued that social democracy and the ignoramuses who vote in favor of it will be the of freedom

lol.... well then we're at diametrically opposed ideologies here considering I'm from the school of J.Locke where rights are natural to us and recognized/protected by the State.

unless you are going to say that a man is slave to his own needs, and that could be seen as true in a way.

"Protected by the state"

LOCKE was a HACK

... Locke was a hack oh wow... so much wow

John locke didnt live in a time when universal suffrage was even a thing

his reasoning for those rights was because of the BIBLE - LOL

You say it so, therefore it MUST BE TRUE

the BIBLE says it so therefore it MUST BE TRUE

give me a break

the weakest foundation to build your natural rights philopshy on

house built out of cards

He fought for universal sufferage and was an abolitionist towards slavery from the start, but sure he's a hack...

"Having freedom also implies having the freedom to fuck it up"

You have the freedom to fuck it up for yourself, not vote to fuck it up for me

@TheGhostAgent all those are horrible things, and unnatural. some people are better than others, some people are smarter than others, the idea that we are all equal and come from a BLANK SLATE, was only because it was before GENETICS

Again I do not see what is so hard for you to understand, the term of service is two years unless they elect to make it a career or there is some form of horrific national disaster

Like the entire west coast is one giant forest fire disaster

LOCKE was the king of ENVIROMENTAL DETERMINISM. and he thought you can change anyone because of the enviroment. lie. some people are born short, some are born tall. enviroment has nothing to do with it. some people are born smart, some are born dumb. dare i say some races...

the foundational idea that all men are created equal has no evidence backing it. i cannot find any. it is just a statement egalitarians say to make themselves feel good. if you have evidence please show me some

@Brue do you not understand that people can be different and equal of the same time?
the problem is we don't have good words to say
"that a person is different in skill and the value it provides"
or
"all people are equal in value as an individual"
bolth of these are true.

"born short, some are born tall. enviroment has nothing to do with it."
if you don't eat well when you are growing you will be shorter then if you had eaten better.

I mean seriously, trying to argue like im some kind of facist, im arguing a slightly altered version of what the founders did

"You have inherent freedoms that are protected by the state, the size of that state, the people who make up its structure and the people who are capable of influencing it are all limited to those who have made some sacrifice for the wider society"

I mean, Brue was arguing that anarchy is monarchy not to long ago so I'm not to sure how much worth i put into their analysis.

i disagree with the second statement @ARockRaider , there is no evidence to show that everyone has equal value as an individual, that is a subjective value statement from yourself and not connected to anything in reality. as for the party below it about people being short and tall, now that i have you thinkin in terms of enviroment, i will say that it is evidenced from papers to be about 60 genetics 40 enviroment for most things

if you don't value the rights on an individual then no one should value your rights as an individual.
as i said the problem is we don't have good words for this idea.

yes! no one should value anyones rights as an indivudal because it does not exist

good good

so then it would be good in your eyes to kill people who don't provide enough measurable value?