For example most people think fascism and Nazism are right-wing ideologies. They're not.

But to understand why, one must assume a logical position instead of common labels

A simple reason why fascism can't be right-wing is because it's collectivist. And since capitalism is understood as *not left, but right,* therefore collectivist ideologies (which can't be capitalist), can't be found on the right.

Some people argue that capitalism can be collectivist, but those are complete mongoloids.

So yeah, set up a logical system and you can describe politics properly, but it won't end up resembling the commonly understood labeling.

Perhaps if this all has made sense to you, then you may've noticed that, since fascism isn't right-wing (at least not in a logically consistent way) therefore it must actually be either center or left, and that means if we find any other ideologies on the left, they must resemble fascism in some aspects far more than what is commonly understood.

And that might tell you why it's so important for "the left" to keep the "fascists" on the opposite end of the scale.

Because if people notice how similar they are, that could cause trouble in paradise

Just for reference on the conversation, how do you measure the left-right spectrum?

My own views or the common understanding in the US?

Why not both

My ideal system would be one side (pick any side, so lets say "left" for example) collectivism, therefore the other side individualism.
Second favorite system one side socialism, therefore the other side capitalism.
I prefer the starting point to be collectivism/individualism because the definitions of those terms are cleaner and more concise.

We can add more dimensions, like progressivism/conservatism, which could be the second dimension.

But the first and second dimensions wouldn't be linked, they're independent from one another

That sounds pretty logical

Yeah the two dimensions have to seperate

I think that fascism has more in common with the left side of the spectrum, but I reason it differently

Lol, just realised nvm, what I'm about to describe is basically collectivism vs individualism
Fascism is about a united order, or will of the people, for the people or the state. That seems to me to be quite the opposite philosophy to capitalism, which is all about the individual freedom to do what benefits the individual

Agreed, yep

Some ideologies are in strong, but not complete opposition to other ideologies despite not being on the same spectrum

Not to mention the right side of the spectrum is all about freedom of speech and other freedoms, where as fascism and communism are both about controlling the people to achieve a better society

E.g. authoritarianism and collectivism are very similar in their definitions, so they both oppose individualism strongly (only collectivism opposes it more)

Yeah

I think the third best starting point would be authoritarianism/liberalism

But it's kinda redundant

collectivism/individualism already covers so much of that

Yeah I guess so

I've heard plenty of socialists describe America as being nearly a fascist state, I'm not American, but I dont think that is the case
How would you describe the current American system?

Well it has a lot of individualism and capitalism compared to other countries

But I would not describe the US as capitalist or individualist, just more than the rest of the world

So it's basically just mixed on those two scales

And the progressive/conservative divide is particularly strong

It's really hard to be more precise because I'd have to learn so much about the American economy and the legal system

Are you American?

I'm Austrian, just very interested in US politics

Ahaha, I'm Australian

That's the other Austria on a foreign planet I think?

Sometimes I forget you people even exist

Yeah basically, just an upside down Austria

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