Message from @ARockRaider

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2019-12-19 02:25:38 UTC  

It's gonna be a sea of red next year

2019-12-19 02:25:50 UTC  

but not as big or delicious as the sea of leftist tears

2019-12-19 02:35:06 UTC  

I'd just love to see a return of moderate control of the govt

2019-12-19 02:35:24 UTC  

And a little spring cleaning to existing laws to either update or trash them

2019-12-19 02:35:38 UTC  

That's all I ask

2019-12-19 02:35:54 UTC  

yeah man. lot to ask though, that would require a sane opposition party

2019-12-19 02:37:39 UTC  

Which is hard af to do because moderate ideas are boring

2019-12-19 02:47:28 UTC  

most of the big issues now aren't something that has a moderate possion, it's either one side or the other.

2019-12-19 02:48:00 UTC  

examples: abortion, gun rights, voter ID.

2019-12-19 02:48:59 UTC  

it's because one side is shoving the overton window as far as they possibly can in one direction

2019-12-19 02:49:13 UTC  

but at the same time where is the middle on any of those?

2019-12-19 02:50:22 UTC  

I think moderate is fine for the low level nitty gritty workings of government, but at this point it's like are we going full communist or not

2019-12-19 02:50:45 UTC  

so 🤷‍♂️

2019-12-19 02:51:02 UTC  

that is a bit fair, but that isn't what anyone is talking about.

2019-12-19 02:51:39 UTC  

there is also the issue about how do you find a middle ground between "wants to increase funding for a program" and "wants to decrease funding for a program"?

2019-12-19 02:51:54 UTC  

leaveing it as is doesn't make anyone happy.

2019-12-19 02:53:16 UTC  

agreed tbh

2019-12-19 02:53:49 UTC  

a moderate basically tries to achieve compromise

2019-12-19 02:54:08 UTC  

Use the nickle plan it was first brought up by Brown but others have since suggested it. **All** departments create 5% in cuts. No favoritism. It's not ideal but it removes bias.

2019-12-19 02:54:32 UTC  

I would be totaly ok with cutting everything over time like that.

2019-12-19 02:54:58 UTC  

but remember these are people who call "reduction in increase" a cut.

2019-12-19 02:55:35 UTC  

Because the problem is *everyone* has a program of department they like. So it can only be politically viable if everyone has to make the same cuts.

2019-12-19 02:55:36 UTC  

"program A is going to grow %5, I only want it to grow %3."
"how could you cut such an important program!"

2019-12-19 02:56:35 UTC  

but as much as i am interested in dealing with the middle ground I want to know how someone can be moderate on a binary choice,
as plenty of issues are right now.

2019-12-19 02:57:15 UTC  

I think when we get to the point where being moderate is viable, we have much smaller things at stake

2019-12-19 02:57:29 UTC  

Ultimately you can't compromise between opposite fundamental values

2019-12-19 02:57:34 UTC  

TBQH a freeze (ie no increase) would work on a long enough timeline. Because the GDP keeps growing so the same expenditure with increasing revenue eventually solves the deficit. But an actual reduction works on a much more reasonable time table.

2019-12-19 02:59:50 UTC  

Trump's ripping Pelosi a new one at his rally rn

2019-12-19 03:01:54 UTC  

ultimately I do agree the best option would be move the big things back to state level, but that aint gonna happen any time soon.
Too many people make their living (and a very rich one at that) off the big mess that is the federal government to ever let it change in such a way.

2019-12-19 03:06:31 UTC  

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if i had the power
I would remove the federal government's power to tax anything other then imports (and I may not even give them that)
then I would have the states each agree to give a set % of their tax income to the federal government.
I would remove the federal government's authority to incur debt, if someone wants debt to fund a program they have to foot that bill personally.
I would make it so federal law can't be imposed on states, rather it would be all of the states agreeing on a single law unanimously, it would be reserved for the really clear cut things like "murder is bad"

2019-12-19 03:07:11 UTC  

this would clean up alot of crap, because then if a state were failing the other states wouldn't be paying for it, none of this "net tax contributor" crap.

2019-12-19 03:07:34 UTC  

that sounds pretty solid

2019-12-19 03:09:18 UTC  

I wouldn't even give federal agents any authority to act in a state, they are just a liaison who can be used to keep everyone in a case in the loop.

2019-12-19 03:09:36 UTC  

no federal police knocking at doors with no idea what the laws in that state are.

2019-12-19 03:24:59 UTC  

I don't think he has been impeached yet, Congress just voted to impeach him, but now the Senate has to agree.

2019-12-19 03:25:10 UTC  

I could be mistaken though

2019-12-19 03:26:10 UTC  

The Republican response should be to impeach the next Democrat president the second they gain the House, and turn impeachment into a tradition that is simply done as soon as they get into office.

2019-12-19 03:26:52 UTC  

I mean, it would be funny.

2019-12-19 03:26:59 UTC  

don't think it would be good for anything though.

2019-12-19 03:27:37 UTC  

funny enough, I don't think anyone has been kicked out of office by impeachment, I think the one guy resigned, and the other wasn't found guilty by Senate.