Felons generally don't deserve the right to vote?

Nobody cared about a felon's right to vote till Bernie said so and he's retarded so

I cared before he said

more for ex cons than current felons

and I hate bernie

for ex cons I don't think it should be a question, the prison is the punishment for the crime, they should be allowed to be a normal citizen again once it ends

when it comes to the in prison people I am more confliced

What crimes specifically that cause people to be felons are you more in favor for allowing that type of felon to vote?

I mean, ideally all of them, but I am also against parole and generally for longer sentences

imo the only two reasons you should be let out of prison are 1. your time is up. 2. your conviction is overturned

Even then, felons are stuck with that name for a reason. It's because they acted against society in such a despicable manner that they can't even participate in our elections anymore. It's not even like, if they survive their sentences or get their convictions overturned, they become good. They don't. Just look at some people who get let out early from prison and they go back to raping and murdering people. You want that guy to vote for your future leadership? You want that guy to have a gun?

ok, I can see you having an argument for served sentences, but convictions overturned dude?

What like they got the wrong guy? And their conviction was overturned?

Or smth?

They literally are legally innocent by our standards, and they still can't vote

yeah

like every guy let out for rape cause he didn't do it

since he wasn't pardoned he is still a felon

and he still can't vote

which is fucked

Well I mean doesn't that happen in the courtroom usually? Then it gets sent to a higher court or smth usually?

Even still we got high tech forensics n stuff today so it's not like it's that hard to determine if a guy did it or not. Unless it is the rare occasion.

The stats are... disheartening. The high end estimate is that 30% of felons did NOT do the crime they are in prison for. (the avg is 22% ish)

The overturn rate is 2%

even taking the low end estimate of 12% that means 10% of the people who are leaving prison did nothing wrong

Alrighty well, do you want to let +60% of felons have the right to vote then?

I'd rather let 10 ex cons vote than deny one innocent person.

Then you're actually letting wolves outvote a sheep

not really

most people aren't ex cons at all

and its not like they are suddenly going to make crime legal

Idk man

They say some crazy shit these days, gets crazier each one.

Im talking about the ex cons

I honestly trust them more than the average dem primary voter

when it comes to voting

at least they know enough about government to not want it to run everything

>I honestly trust them more than the average dem primary voter

"Yeah I trust a former rapist to vote what's best for women's rights."

"I totally want a murderer to decide the next mayor/congressman."

Yeah I bet gang members totally know what it's like about the heavy boot of the feds *maaaaaan*

I should point out I think the only appropriate punishment for murder is life without parole

so that one doesn't apply here