What like they got the wrong guy? And their conviction was overturned?

Or smth?

They literally are legally innocent by our standards, and they still can't vote

yeah

like every guy let out for rape cause he didn't do it

since he wasn't pardoned he is still a felon

and he still can't vote

which is fucked

Well I mean doesn't that happen in the courtroom usually? Then it gets sent to a higher court or smth usually?

Even still we got high tech forensics n stuff today so it's not like it's that hard to determine if a guy did it or not. Unless it is the rare occasion.

The stats are... disheartening. The high end estimate is that 30% of felons did NOT do the crime they are in prison for. (the avg is 22% ish)

The overturn rate is 2%

even taking the low end estimate of 12% that means 10% of the people who are leaving prison did nothing wrong

Alrighty well, do you want to let +60% of felons have the right to vote then?

I'd rather let 10 ex cons vote than deny one innocent person.

Then you're actually letting wolves outvote a sheep

not really

most people aren't ex cons at all

and its not like they are suddenly going to make crime legal

Idk man

They say some crazy shit these days, gets crazier each one.

Im talking about the ex cons

I honestly trust them more than the average dem primary voter

when it comes to voting

at least they know enough about government to not want it to run everything

>I honestly trust them more than the average dem primary voter

"Yeah I trust a former rapist to vote what's best for women's rights."

"I totally want a murderer to decide the next mayor/congressman."

Yeah I bet gang members totally know what it's like about the heavy boot of the feds *maaaaaan*

I should point out I think the only appropriate punishment for murder is life without parole

so that one doesn't apply here

So u dont even believe in capital punishment?

the math is in, the trials and investigations to try and ensure we are actually killing a killer costs more than just keeping them there.

also you can't correct killing an innocent person, you can mostly correct imprisoning them

I am ok with capital punishment in the case of supremely overwhelming evidence

but thats not 99% of murder cases

Lmao "general" muderder cases.

And ofc they're going to have a trial right?

Its not like these things happen with a blink of an eye and it's off to the firing squad or a noose.

They're gonna go to trail and make sure it's the guy

death row in texas, just based on confirmed executions had a 5% innocent kill rate

So 95% of the time it was the right purp

5% of people were executed by the state for doing nothing wrong