Message from @Wizard_of_The_West
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I'd just say "As was foretold"
@UnScottable
Ok I'm off work, hit the weights, dinner cooking so I can get back to you. While we all know that correlation does not imply causation the problem with 13/50 is that it isn't even a correlation. It's just a snapshot statistic. A snapshot taken when violence is at it's lowest point in history and specifically in the US has been on a downward trend for decades See *Better Angels of our Nature*- Pinker. For it to be a correlation the proportion would have to maintain over time and it does not. The 13 is fairly constant (Got as low as 10 at one point IIRC) but the 50 has varied wildly over that period.
Now you mentioned culture and nature for an idea of how to spot the difference I suggest *Not by Genes Alone*- Boyd and Richerson but suffice to say the mere couple of centuries our great nation has existed is too short a period for any population wise genetic differential to cause such change. A closer look at the data can see co-morbidity in the 13 with single-parent families and a decrease in civic engagement but even this is not a centuries-long trend and in fact has shifted recently *Black Rednecks and White Liberals*- Thomas Sowell
The most notable point at which these social factors began to have the impacts that are now known as 13/50 is in the middle of the last century and can also be seen, down to the zip code, in populations of exclusively non-Hispanic whites *Coming Apart*- Charles Murray. As to causal relationships I am strongly inclined to blame the expansion of the welfare state by LBJ. As put forward by Amity Shlaes in *The Great Society; A new History*
I guess my larger point is that as a Conservative I read conservative thinkers. This is what differentiates myself from progressives like Spencer or Fuentes. Because I have this study I do not accept the left narrative while hastily pathing "It's because race" over "it's because racism" and then generally holding the same narrow vission.
Stating that 13 percent of the Population commit half of Violent Crime is a Fact. However, as with all issues, no one asks why
There is an obvious reason, The Black Community has been pushed away from Traditional values by bad influences. Rap music constantly talking about ‘Fucking Bitches then kicking them outside’ as well as living a living a life Trafficking Drugs and Shooting people over it. The Father is overwhelmingly absent from the home and we all know how things turn out for kids with Single Mothers.
There are no role models and so the role models chosen are Rappers, Professional Sports Players, and other influential figures who may not live a realistic life
The Patriarchy strikes again
https://pluralist.com/rachel-henry-killed-3-children//49999
@Omar_The_OMAP they are a product of their own culture, it's genetic for them. Extremely violent, unable to adapt to a society with a functioning rule of law, and very poor impulse control. These are things outside of their own control, it would be better to have them back in Africa where they can see their true selves in a welcoming environment for such Behavior
Bad b8
You can't take a strain of people who were building cathedrals in the 11th century and make them with people who still, to this day can't figure out how to farm correctly
There are no successful black countries, cities or municipalities. They don't exist.
Even the successful high-earning black neighborhoods in Atlanta are Rife with crime, their children just can't help themselves
I dissagree that it is genetic, though genetics MAY have some play in how they act they are just as human as anyone else and they do have the choice to not adopt that culture.
I do agree that the culture is to blame though.
interesting response @Jym i think its important to mention those other factors that you mentioned in your response when discussing this kind of thing.
But to me this still didnt disprove that genetics have no effect on the issue. Race realist dont believe that genetics are the sole factor. They believe that it is one of many factors and possibly an important one that should be considered.
Charles Murray wrote a book called the bell curve and if i remember correctly he posited that it is about .6
The question should be examined by other species, are birds of different colors smarter than others?
well it is possible that some birds are scavenging then others
while some are birds of prey
some birds are better at different tasks just by the shape of their beaks right?
Finches are notorious for that yes
But we would want to compare within the same adaptation outside of plumage color
honestly I am not familiar enough with the science to say one way or the other for certain. but i do think its something that should be explored in good faith
I think race/color always is a factor, it's just to me not the deciding factor.
I haven't seen evidence to make me go, yeah its their race making them choose to run from the cops.
hmm well anybody who just sees a black person and assumes they are stupid is not a race realist... at least from my point of view. because a race realist would understand that averages dont necessarily indicate what the individual you are speaking to will be like
and wizard apparently there is some literature on impulse control that is interesting, but I havent seen it personally.
there are always exceptions to averages, and in fact quite a lot of them
Well I think averages today are misleading due to immigration of the more intelligent and capable individuals to more prosperous nations.
It's very complex
thats an interesting point
yes its quite a lot of moving parts
But if there's good evidence I would definitely consider the arguments and would want there to be more research and discussion academically.
i think whats unfortunate is that Charles Murray writes a book in which he says its 60% genetics and 40% environment. and he gets blacklisted as like... a neo-nazi and shiz...
with this kind of environment its impossible to look into things in good faith without worrying about something screwing with the study
Is Purple Toad a commie?
yes
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I don't see the harm if it's going to be used to help people overcome obstacles. I think people get too afraid of "racism" they forget that we don't understand everything about our own biology just yet.