Message from @Jokerfaic

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2020-01-31 05:12:27 UTC  

Victory is measured not only in how you were able to spin policy but by how well off your party is at the end of the game

2020-01-31 05:12:43 UTC  

wow

2020-01-31 05:13:42 UTC  

You can even intentionally fail certain aspects to hurt other players that have an overlapping victory condition, it's got a lot of depth with very simple mechanics

2020-01-31 05:14:25 UTC  

Sounds like a good way to freeze friendships

2020-01-31 05:16:12 UTC  

So like if you and bob both want global warming related projects to be defunded, you can hurt bob by aligning yourself with a party that wants to fund global warming related projects, thereby denying him the points for success while possibly also getting yourself a boost in, say, criminal justice reform.

2020-01-31 05:17:14 UTC  

so its a game geared toward the ambiguous and multi-agenda nature of modern legislation

2020-01-31 05:17:20 UTC  

that's brilliant

2020-01-31 05:17:35 UTC  

It really is

2020-01-31 05:22:43 UTC  

so, I have found another point where extra credits points to "alongside a commitment to non intervention in the free market" as part of the reason things got so bad.
this time it is in number 3 at about 4:15 or so.

2020-01-31 05:23:23 UTC  

oh, and he is still talking about how this policy is about "protecting the free market"

2020-01-31 05:23:37 UTC  

yes, market obsession exaserbated the problem. that's not a partisan comment, that's fact

2020-01-31 05:24:07 UTC  

the markets only go bad when messed up by the government in the first place

2020-01-31 05:24:37 UTC  

and the british government in general made the whole fucking thing worse, not just economically, yes

2020-01-31 05:25:14 UTC  

sectarian tensions were more prevalent than economic concerns

2020-01-31 05:25:36 UTC  

ok, but Extra Credits keep pointing out how so much of this was somehow in service to free markets, when most of this problem was started by the government intervention in markets before the potato rot happend.

2020-01-31 05:26:42 UTC  

....... no? that's not even mentioned. the only thing mentioned before the rot was Irish disenfranchisement is basically all areas of british life

2020-01-31 05:27:06 UTC  

only when the rot had begun and parliament took notice did the PM take action

2020-01-31 05:27:13 UTC  

are you being sarcastic right now?

2020-01-31 05:27:38 UTC  

no, dude, that's literally how the first video went

2020-01-31 05:28:03 UTC  

ok, and "Irish disenfranchisement is basically all areas of british life" would be the government intervention i'm talking about.

2020-01-31 05:28:55 UTC  

how the fuck is denying Irish land owners the right to leave a whole tract of land to their eldest an intervention on the grain market?!

2020-01-31 05:29:12 UTC  

it's not, but it IS an intervention in the market itself.

2020-01-31 05:29:26 UTC  

the market isn't just one item, or even a set of items.

2020-01-31 05:29:32 UTC  

it's everything taken together.

2020-01-31 05:29:48 UTC  

and anytime the government pokes at any of it problems always crop up.

2020-01-31 05:30:39 UTC  

what fucking invisible hand superstitious horseshit is this? One of the pros of bringing in American corn meal is that it wasn't in the same market as british grain, and therefore wouldn't affect prices

2020-01-31 05:30:40 UTC  

and the EC guys talking about how there was any sort of "free market" going on there is just plain wrong when the people in question had been forced into some of this situation by the government's past interventions.

2020-01-31 05:31:23 UTC  

that was what EC said the guy hoped, but the "grain" market may as well have been the "food" market.

2020-01-31 05:32:01 UTC  

you know that right? if bringing grain for food would drive down prices, why would bringing in any other kind of food not drive down the same prices?

2020-01-31 05:32:54 UTC  

if anyone's espousing an ideology in this context its you, dude. you're throwing about a bunch of contexts that the video didn't even mention and you're just assuming that's because they're trying to omit or something I can't fucking tell what you're on about anymore.

2020-01-31 05:34:02 UTC  

When you said free market I didn't realise you meant the god damn libertarian deified conceptualization of the term

2020-01-31 05:34:12 UTC  

ok lets assume all of what you just said it totally true,
what does it change when the question i'm listening to tall this again is "why ARockRaider doesn't trust the EC people and what the potato famine series said that lead to part of that?"

2020-01-31 05:34:30 UTC  

what do you call a free market then?

2020-01-31 05:36:00 UTC  

lack of government regulation, capitalism, individual investors. the disenfranchisement of the Irish was absolutely more about ethnic and religious sectarianism, not the fucking market

2020-01-31 05:36:31 UTC  

all of those things have an effect on the market.

2020-01-31 05:36:41 UTC  

ANY market, not just food or houseing markets.

2020-01-31 05:37:00 UTC  

that's fucking invisible hand pseudoscience

2020-01-31 05:37:14 UTC  

how is it pseudoscience?

2020-01-31 05:37:43 UTC  

it's supply and demand taken to it's logical extreme sure, but that doesn't make it pseudoscience.

2020-01-31 05:38:00 UTC  

distinct market industries with no competitive connection whatsoever are not affected by one being artificially altered

2020-01-31 05:38:14 UTC  

that's just not fucking measurable