Message from @Hexidecimark

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2020-01-31 05:06:50 UTC  

at about 3:40 they start talking about this part i'm pointing out

2020-01-31 05:07:14 UTC  

yes?

2020-01-31 05:08:52 UTC  

tories are trade protectionists, so he can't undercut grain prices.
wigs were "similerly hardcore when it came to free trade economics"

ah, i think i found one of the places I may have made a mistake, my mind put the comma in the wrong place on my first viewing.

2020-01-31 05:09:18 UTC  

well alright then

2020-01-31 05:09:42 UTC  

god damn it, all this griping about food has actually gotten me hungry

2020-01-31 05:09:54 UTC  

still not enough to change my stance on the Extra Credits people.

2020-01-31 05:10:05 UTC  

and i still got more then half of this set to go.

2020-01-31 05:10:16 UTC  

I like most of what EC does

2020-01-31 05:10:28 UTC  

I like their history and sci fi

2020-01-31 05:10:53 UTC  

The board game they made is actually really fun, I played it at my library

2020-01-31 05:11:02 UTC  

they have a board game?

2020-01-31 05:11:13 UTC  

I used to like them, until a point where i stopped agreeing with them on their newer stuff.

2020-01-31 05:11:55 UTC  

Yeah, it's a political style game where you fight people over influence by sabotaging and compromising in equal measure

2020-01-31 05:12:27 UTC  

Victory is measured not only in how you were able to spin policy but by how well off your party is at the end of the game

2020-01-31 05:12:43 UTC  

wow

2020-01-31 05:13:42 UTC  

You can even intentionally fail certain aspects to hurt other players that have an overlapping victory condition, it's got a lot of depth with very simple mechanics

2020-01-31 05:14:25 UTC  

Sounds like a good way to freeze friendships

2020-01-31 05:16:12 UTC  

So like if you and bob both want global warming related projects to be defunded, you can hurt bob by aligning yourself with a party that wants to fund global warming related projects, thereby denying him the points for success while possibly also getting yourself a boost in, say, criminal justice reform.

2020-01-31 05:17:14 UTC  

so its a game geared toward the ambiguous and multi-agenda nature of modern legislation

2020-01-31 05:17:20 UTC  

that's brilliant

2020-01-31 05:17:35 UTC  

It really is

2020-01-31 05:22:43 UTC  

so, I have found another point where extra credits points to "alongside a commitment to non intervention in the free market" as part of the reason things got so bad.
this time it is in number 3 at about 4:15 or so.

2020-01-31 05:23:23 UTC  

oh, and he is still talking about how this policy is about "protecting the free market"

2020-01-31 05:23:37 UTC  

yes, market obsession exaserbated the problem. that's not a partisan comment, that's fact

2020-01-31 05:24:07 UTC  

the markets only go bad when messed up by the government in the first place

2020-01-31 05:24:37 UTC  

and the british government in general made the whole fucking thing worse, not just economically, yes

2020-01-31 05:25:14 UTC  

sectarian tensions were more prevalent than economic concerns

2020-01-31 05:25:36 UTC  

ok, but Extra Credits keep pointing out how so much of this was somehow in service to free markets, when most of this problem was started by the government intervention in markets before the potato rot happend.

2020-01-31 05:26:42 UTC  

....... no? that's not even mentioned. the only thing mentioned before the rot was Irish disenfranchisement is basically all areas of british life

2020-01-31 05:27:06 UTC  

only when the rot had begun and parliament took notice did the PM take action

2020-01-31 05:27:13 UTC  

are you being sarcastic right now?

2020-01-31 05:27:38 UTC  

no, dude, that's literally how the first video went

2020-01-31 05:28:03 UTC  

ok, and "Irish disenfranchisement is basically all areas of british life" would be the government intervention i'm talking about.

2020-01-31 05:28:55 UTC  

how the fuck is denying Irish land owners the right to leave a whole tract of land to their eldest an intervention on the grain market?!

2020-01-31 05:29:12 UTC  

it's not, but it IS an intervention in the market itself.

2020-01-31 05:29:26 UTC  

the market isn't just one item, or even a set of items.

2020-01-31 05:29:32 UTC  

it's everything taken together.

2020-01-31 05:29:48 UTC  

and anytime the government pokes at any of it problems always crop up.

2020-01-31 05:30:39 UTC  

what fucking invisible hand superstitious horseshit is this? One of the pros of bringing in American corn meal is that it wasn't in the same market as british grain, and therefore wouldn't affect prices

2020-01-31 05:30:40 UTC  

and the EC guys talking about how there was any sort of "free market" going on there is just plain wrong when the people in question had been forced into some of this situation by the government's past interventions.

2020-01-31 05:31:23 UTC  

that was what EC said the guy hoped, but the "grain" market may as well have been the "food" market.