Message from @Jokerfaic

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2020-01-31 05:28:03 UTC  

ok, and "Irish disenfranchisement is basically all areas of british life" would be the government intervention i'm talking about.

2020-01-31 05:28:55 UTC  

how the fuck is denying Irish land owners the right to leave a whole tract of land to their eldest an intervention on the grain market?!

2020-01-31 05:29:12 UTC  

it's not, but it IS an intervention in the market itself.

2020-01-31 05:29:26 UTC  

the market isn't just one item, or even a set of items.

2020-01-31 05:29:32 UTC  

it's everything taken together.

2020-01-31 05:29:48 UTC  

and anytime the government pokes at any of it problems always crop up.

2020-01-31 05:30:39 UTC  

what fucking invisible hand superstitious horseshit is this? One of the pros of bringing in American corn meal is that it wasn't in the same market as british grain, and therefore wouldn't affect prices

2020-01-31 05:30:40 UTC  

and the EC guys talking about how there was any sort of "free market" going on there is just plain wrong when the people in question had been forced into some of this situation by the government's past interventions.

2020-01-31 05:31:23 UTC  

that was what EC said the guy hoped, but the "grain" market may as well have been the "food" market.

2020-01-31 05:32:01 UTC  

you know that right? if bringing grain for food would drive down prices, why would bringing in any other kind of food not drive down the same prices?

2020-01-31 05:32:54 UTC  

if anyone's espousing an ideology in this context its you, dude. you're throwing about a bunch of contexts that the video didn't even mention and you're just assuming that's because they're trying to omit or something I can't fucking tell what you're on about anymore.

2020-01-31 05:34:02 UTC  

When you said free market I didn't realise you meant the god damn libertarian deified conceptualization of the term

2020-01-31 05:34:12 UTC  

ok lets assume all of what you just said it totally true,
what does it change when the question i'm listening to tall this again is "why ARockRaider doesn't trust the EC people and what the potato famine series said that lead to part of that?"

2020-01-31 05:34:30 UTC  

what do you call a free market then?

2020-01-31 05:36:00 UTC  

lack of government regulation, capitalism, individual investors. the disenfranchisement of the Irish was absolutely more about ethnic and religious sectarianism, not the fucking market

2020-01-31 05:36:31 UTC  

all of those things have an effect on the market.

2020-01-31 05:36:41 UTC  

ANY market, not just food or houseing markets.

2020-01-31 05:37:00 UTC  

that's fucking invisible hand pseudoscience

2020-01-31 05:37:14 UTC  

how is it pseudoscience?

2020-01-31 05:37:43 UTC  

it's supply and demand taken to it's logical extreme sure, but that doesn't make it pseudoscience.

2020-01-31 05:38:00 UTC  

distinct market industries with no competitive connection whatsoever are not affected by one being artificially altered

2020-01-31 05:38:14 UTC  

that's just not fucking measurable

2020-01-31 05:38:33 UTC  

that's quantum theory, not economics

2020-01-31 05:38:47 UTC  

That is the case for some industry though

2020-01-31 05:38:57 UTC  

I can agree that it's not clearly measurable, and that is the very reason that government should try to stay out of everything it isn't ment to mess with.

2020-01-31 05:40:17 UTC  

Like gasoline/oil or other sorts of 'universal impact' industry. Food is one that will leave a mark in that sense because higher food prices mean less capital available to spend on non-essentials, save, or otherwise invest in general, esp. when there's not a lot of money to go around

2020-01-31 05:40:55 UTC  

ah, thankyou very much Hexidecimark, I was trying to think of something off the top of my head while also still watching these vids.

2020-01-31 05:42:35 UTC  

food cost will impact all other cost in some way because that is one of the base needs for peoples survival.
and the cost might not even be the price of the good in question changeing, it could be all the other goods changeing price while that one stays the same.

2020-01-31 05:43:24 UTC  

Although I didn't pick up much ideology pushing from them in that one; I think they just came to their conclusions and reported on those

2020-01-31 05:43:54 UTC  

If the nazis in my vidya video is any indication, subtlety is not their strong suit

2020-01-31 05:44:46 UTC  

oh sure they might not be pushing an ideology, but that doesn't change what I do and don't trust about them.

2020-01-31 05:45:14 UTC  

then that still doesn't refute my claim that their history series is sufficiently objective

2020-01-31 05:45:37 UTC  

I don't have to refute said claim, I said "I don't trust them"

2020-01-31 05:45:51 UTC  

when compared to their video game analysis series

2020-01-31 05:47:09 UTC  

I don't trust them on either anymore, as i said if I can't trust them with their video game analysis why would i trust them with the much more complen and incompleat records of history?

2020-01-31 05:47:31 UTC  

because those subjects aren't comparable

2020-01-31 05:47:33 UTC  

and someone pointed out that there is even a presedent for such additudes in law? didn't know of that myself.

2020-01-31 05:47:52 UTC  

much like two discreet and non-conjoined markets

2020-01-31 05:47:53 UTC  

they are to me, and again we are talking about my trust or lack thereof in EC.

2020-01-31 05:48:36 UTC  

except I was only talking about their history series being objective

2020-01-31 05:48:57 UTC  

and again, I don't agree that it is objective