Message from @ARockRaider

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2020-02-02 06:52:22 UTC  

... i mean the government printed like 4trillion bucks for bank bailouts with no inflation

2020-02-02 06:52:30 UTC  

untrue.

2020-02-02 06:53:30 UTC  

it's untrue because it can't be true, if i were to guess they have locked down intrest rates to stop that inflation, but that also means that basic saveings is earning nothing.

2020-02-02 06:53:48 UTC  

or did you also forget that the banks do give an interest rate to people storeing money in saveings?

2020-02-02 06:55:29 UTC  

How in the world do you add money into circulation without creating inflation.

2020-02-02 06:55:54 UTC  

you don't or you find someplace to offset the inflation.

2020-02-02 06:56:53 UTC  

thats the point, you're not adding new money using a UBI, you're using money thats already circling our economy.

2020-02-02 06:57:12 UTC  

did you figure out how much you spend in a month/weak?

2020-02-02 06:57:13 UTC  

That question wasn't about UBI though

2020-02-02 06:57:27 UTC  

>government printed like 4trillion bucks for bank bailouts with no inflation
That is impossible

2020-02-02 06:57:53 UTC  

The law of supply and demand cannot ever be broken, it always works.

2020-02-02 06:58:44 UTC  

More money in circulation = currency loses value, because as supply goes up, demand must also go up so that inflation doesn't happen. If demand remains unchanged, inflation must happen. Ergo currency loses value.

2020-02-02 06:58:56 UTC  

as sure as the laws of exchange, you can never get more out of a system then you put into it.

2020-02-02 07:04:43 UTC  

were getting into some complicated economics here, im not completely sure how quantitive easing works.

2020-02-02 07:05:02 UTC  

i'm gonna guess "it doesn't"

2020-02-02 07:05:18 UTC  

yeah you could guess

2020-02-02 07:05:26 UTC  

or you could do research

2020-02-02 07:05:28 UTC  

find out

2020-02-02 07:05:35 UTC  

i probably will

2020-02-02 07:05:49 UTC  

you are the one makeing the claim that it IS working, so it's on you to find the proof.

2020-02-02 07:06:30 UTC  

ok i figured it out, took me longer then it should have, but if you spend more then $120,000 per year in VAT taxed items you are not gonna come out on top form your UBI plain, (assumeing nothing else in the economy changes)
that's an avrage of $2,500 perweak.

2020-02-02 07:06:49 UTC  

and don't forget, you also just rased all of your costs %10 by adding the VAT.

2020-02-02 07:08:07 UTC  

so this will be fine for people who have nothing and are only getting the "free" $1,000.
but anyone else is gonna take a much bigger hit then you think.

2020-02-02 07:09:27 UTC  

i could explain it bit by bit for over several hours, or you could do the research yourself, heres a good link to a study i found enlightening on the subject. https://rooseveltinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Modeling-the-Macroeconomic-Effects-of-a-Universal-Basic-Income.pdf

2020-02-02 07:09:44 UTC  

don't care to do the research myself.

2020-02-02 07:09:54 UTC  

I want you to tell me something i'm not gonna expect form this plain.

2020-02-02 07:09:58 UTC  

thats ok

2020-02-02 07:10:07 UTC  

you are the one in support of this plain after all.

2020-02-02 07:10:07 UTC  

trump loves the poorly educated

2020-02-02 07:10:20 UTC  

and clearly so does yang.

2020-02-02 07:11:21 UTC  

UBI is not gonna work like you think it is, and I know that because I know the basics of how money works.

2020-02-02 07:11:30 UTC  

yes, i am in support of UBI, but im not in support of staying up past my bedtime, i have to get up at 4 tomorrow.

2020-02-02 07:11:42 UTC  

gnight man, youve got some reading to do

2020-02-02 07:11:44 UTC  

quantitative easing didn't produce lots of inflation because banks just held on to the assets they got as excess reserves

2020-02-02 07:11:44 UTC  

ok, then you can head to bed.

2020-02-02 07:13:20 UTC  

"i know the basics of how money works" says the guy who didnt know what a VAT tax was lmaop

2020-02-02 07:13:37 UTC  

I don't know what it taxes, because I don't have it.

2020-02-02 07:13:42 UTC  

The funny thing is that when $1000 is no longer a viable option what are you going to do then raise it to $1001

2020-02-02 07:13:57 UTC  

you also didn't say what it was, you just linked a wiki page about it.

2020-02-02 07:15:18 UTC  

near as i can tell VAT is just a tax on all goods and services, but done in a complex way so it's not as clear what you are paying in taxes on an item.

2020-02-02 07:19:37 UTC  

So after reading it basically Another type of Sales tax that tax the entire production and sale of the Good and Service