Message from @ARockRaider

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2020-02-02 06:45:34 UTC  

every time money changes hands?

2020-02-02 06:45:41 UTC  

there ya go

2020-02-02 06:45:59 UTC  

so the answer is infact "everything"?

2020-02-02 06:46:46 UTC  

I love how the blurb seems to think that the tax doesn't just end up comeing form the last person to buy the item.

2020-02-02 06:46:54 UTC  

VAT is basically how they tax those with lower income

2020-02-02 06:47:11 UTC  

It's a stupid idea that should be scratched.

2020-02-02 06:47:20 UTC  

well, the process is also taxed, its not just the purchase

2020-02-02 06:47:44 UTC  

do you understand that every cent of the cost of a product is payed by the end consumer right?

2020-02-02 06:48:06 UTC  

That's what socialists never understand

2020-02-02 06:48:12 UTC  

So just ask if someone is a socialist before you ask the question

2020-02-02 06:48:47 UTC  

because every cent you add on to the cost of production of that product has to be added to the sale cost or it cut's into already paper thing profit margins (for most products)

2020-02-02 06:49:04 UTC  

Yep. Otherwise the business goes bust.

2020-02-02 06:49:19 UTC  

so you are gonna add at least %10 to the cost of EVERTTHING, and then expect the $1000 a month to cover that?

2020-02-02 06:49:56 UTC  

how much do you spend in a month? now add 10% to it, odds are it's gonna be more then the 1000 you are getting "for free"

2020-02-02 06:50:39 UTC  

Not to forget most people are terrible at spending money (especially the lower class) so it ends up not helping them anyway

2020-02-02 06:51:13 UTC  

I know it, my dad seems to think money spoils as fast as strawberries.

2020-02-02 06:51:26 UTC  

lul

2020-02-02 06:52:07 UTC  

sometimes i want to ask him "you know we use money because it stores very well right dad?"

2020-02-02 06:52:22 UTC  

... i mean the government printed like 4trillion bucks for bank bailouts with no inflation

2020-02-02 06:52:30 UTC  

untrue.

2020-02-02 06:53:30 UTC  

it's untrue because it can't be true, if i were to guess they have locked down intrest rates to stop that inflation, but that also means that basic saveings is earning nothing.

2020-02-02 06:53:48 UTC  

or did you also forget that the banks do give an interest rate to people storeing money in saveings?

2020-02-02 06:55:29 UTC  

How in the world do you add money into circulation without creating inflation.

2020-02-02 06:55:54 UTC  

you don't or you find someplace to offset the inflation.

2020-02-02 06:56:53 UTC  

thats the point, you're not adding new money using a UBI, you're using money thats already circling our economy.

2020-02-02 06:57:12 UTC  

did you figure out how much you spend in a month/weak?

2020-02-02 06:57:13 UTC  

That question wasn't about UBI though

2020-02-02 06:57:27 UTC  

>government printed like 4trillion bucks for bank bailouts with no inflation
That is impossible

2020-02-02 06:57:53 UTC  

The law of supply and demand cannot ever be broken, it always works.

2020-02-02 06:58:44 UTC  

More money in circulation = currency loses value, because as supply goes up, demand must also go up so that inflation doesn't happen. If demand remains unchanged, inflation must happen. Ergo currency loses value.

2020-02-02 06:58:56 UTC  

as sure as the laws of exchange, you can never get more out of a system then you put into it.

2020-02-02 07:04:43 UTC  

were getting into some complicated economics here, im not completely sure how quantitive easing works.

2020-02-02 07:05:02 UTC  

i'm gonna guess "it doesn't"

2020-02-02 07:05:18 UTC  

yeah you could guess

2020-02-02 07:05:26 UTC  

or you could do research

2020-02-02 07:05:28 UTC  

find out

2020-02-02 07:05:35 UTC  

i probably will

2020-02-02 07:05:49 UTC  

you are the one makeing the claim that it IS working, so it's on you to find the proof.

2020-02-02 07:06:30 UTC  

ok i figured it out, took me longer then it should have, but if you spend more then $120,000 per year in VAT taxed items you are not gonna come out on top form your UBI plain, (assumeing nothing else in the economy changes)
that's an avrage of $2,500 perweak.

2020-02-02 07:06:49 UTC  

and don't forget, you also just rased all of your costs %10 by adding the VAT.