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hes so mad now

"it's like hes trying to speak to me i just know it!"

I think the original idea came from someone who had good intentions, but then it was pushed and implemented by idiots.

aka socialists

I mean you can get refunded for the VAT

ahh, the road paved with good intentions! oh hay I see the next town comeing up!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

Socialists will never understand that value is ultimately always determined by supply and demand and not by productivity.

if VAT was made by someone with good intentions they forgot that it is never as simple as they think.

But I think it's only Foriegners who can get refunded if they don't have a VAT

Whatever it is, it only adds paperwork, which is just another extra layer of costs.

The people benefitting are of course bureaucrats.

the government always "forgets" about the added paperwork.

It's intentional, it keeps the government branches large.

also the people who can afford to pay people to take care of the paperwork, so you can forget about opening your own shop in a place with a VAT.

Like I went to England and we went in line at I forgot the name of the Big mall or shopping center in London that has like Seafood bars and Chocolate, Delis, and other things

An the had a section to get a VAT refund

"If you permanently or habitually reside outside of the EU, you will likely be considered a “visitor” for VAT refund purposes. In these cases you are not subject to the VAT and may be able to claim a refund. Unlike tourists, business travelers can also claim the tax they paid on lodging and meals."

https://www.claimcompass.eu/blog/how-to-claim-vat-refund/

"bow at the alter of the almighty paperwork gods!"

So basically a VAT only effects people living there

And if you don't live there you don't pay the VAT

where a sales tax effects everyone who shops there, so another reason VAT taxes are dumb.

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Sorry little tired

I think both sales tax and VAT are dumb. They're relics of socialist reforms.

where I live people drive sometimes over 3 hours down form canada to go shoping because the taxes are better, and then they also have to pay a tax when they go back into canada on any stuff they bought anyway!

I feel like the taxes should be delt with on a town level, how the town does it i don't care.
then the towns send some money to the state, and the state sends some money to the federal level.
would make several problems just go away.

Sounds like Me when I drove up to New Hampshire just to get Whiskey

It would eliminate so many meaningless jobs, too.

But that's exactly why it won't happen.

ahh, you aren't a Masshole are you Ordis?

(liveing in mass and being a masshole are not the same thing)

No, I'm a New Yorker who wants to hang our Governor

wait, you drove form NY all the way into NH for booze?

you must have been in the north east of NY then?

Well my mom was working in Massachusetts

In the Boston area

Boston sucks, but i know the area well enough i think.
drove truck down there all the time.

My dad gets her Bourbon and Whiskey to Cheer her up

So when visiting one day we drove out to NH to get her some