I dont even know what point you are talking about... Im talking about what I said

sauce lmao, and i get what you are doing now, instead of actually substantiating your claims you are just going to ask questions and make me substantiate them for you. Nah dude im not gonna play that game lmao

whats my claim that I need to substantiate?

How about something like this: https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/87/3/571/899184

```North American desert rodents in the family Heteromyidae live in an unpredictable environment characterized by extremes in temperature and food availability; therefore, *the ability to hoard food is a vital adaptation*.
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The claim was about "greed" and the hoarding of resources, wasn't it?

sure but i don't see how you can compare that to humans in any way as we are distinct species

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50972123

so your argument is that there is safety in numbers?

`Over the last million years or so, people evolved the ability to learn from each other, creating the possibility of cumulative, cultural evolution.`

`Humans cooperate on a larger scale than most other mammals. Among social mammals, cooperation is mainly limited to relatives`

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/ejugps/outdated_it_leaves_nhs_staff_with_15_different/fd1d5l8/

``My hospital clinic has pushed back the first patient of the days appointment by 15 minutes due to the amount of time it takes for the computers to boot up in the morning.

Once in, it takes me fully 2 minutes to load internet explorer on my clinic computer. About a further 45 seconds to load google search page whenever I search something.``

@wacka I think you're assuming I've done more than skim the abstract of that paper

Im asking @xlD4NKlx what his position is... what is he arguing for?

At this point it sounds like "there are no complex behaviors in humans"

`Over the last million years or so, people evolved the ability to learn from each other, creating the possibility of cumulative, non-genetic evolution. These capacities were favoured by ordinary natural selection in the rapidly varying climates of the Middle and Upper Pleistocene, because cumulative cultural evolution allows humans to culturally evolve highly refined adaptations to local environments relatively quickly compared with genetic evolution`

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2781880/ source btw

Ah, I saw that paste and delete but hadn't opened it

and im arguing that humans are inherently social animals @wacka

I don't think anyone denied that, but it's a trade-off between cooperation and competition

Even with those closest to you

yeah so back to the wolf and sheep example... the wolves have a pack... as much as the sheep have a group... I know which group/pack Id rather be in

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature03052

brett said greed was essential and other points and made some pseudo-scientific points @kaolbrec

also lmao, you are still doing it and you realise these niche examples aren't representative of something far more complex @wacka

i think greed is more of a symptom of value

*"However, in all but the simplest transactions, individuals experience a cost now in return for a benefit later and thus are vulnerable to defectors who take the benefit but do not produce the return. Imperfect monitoring or effort and quality also give rise to opportunities for free riding. The potential for conflict over land, food and other resources is everywhere."*

and its not a niche example

i explained why it was so empty statements dont cut it

its just the best analogy of a group who just pack together with no direction... and a pack that lets some people get ahead

sure but imo i feel this is more of an anomally and isn't the norm per se

the other analogy is the ol fishermans bucket

also imo i think analogies are dumb... and you shouldn't really use them to make a point

@xlD4NKlx https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886918300710

don't just link me it, quote stuff from it lmao

ok, no analogy... I think people should be able to express themselves and generate their own value... I think if everyone is equal then you can only be as good as the least valuable person

read it yourself you fucking pleb

lmao

if your going to ask for sources dont fucking moan when I dont quote mine it to prove my point

@wacka sure but i am in favour of equality of opportunity and also people generally being equal is a good thing

ah good.. youre not a marxist then... at least theres that